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01-04-2011, 08:13 PM
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Law enforcement and corrections is an industry. And one of the few which is expanding.
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01-04-2011, 08:22 PM
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Law enforcement and corrections is an industry. And one of the few which is expanding.
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but it does not need to
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01-04-2011, 11:14 PM
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Law enforcement and corrections is an industry. And one of the few which is expanding.
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But among government services that are candidates for privatization, aren't these two the most dangerous - to our liberty. I can imagine a police force of Pinkerton boys and the reintroduction of debtors prisons.
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01-05-2011, 12:31 AM
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Why is it that the folks who like to complain that our prisons are too posh and swanky never seem to be in a hurry to go live in one?
'Cuz, maybe, deep down inside, even they know they are full of shyte?
Dave
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01-05-2011, 07:13 AM
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What bugs me is that being caught with a small amount of maryjane can get you a long sentence. Commiting robbery with a gun gets littlle more than a slap on the wrist. Any crime commited with a gun should send you upriver for 10 years or more.
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01-05-2011, 07:47 AM
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What more does a jail need, than be (generally) clean and (absolutely) secure? In another life I've seen the inside of a couple of them. If someone wanted the taxpayers to get us a new flatscreen with surround and perhaps a t-bone or two we'd have been fine with it, but most would've said 'suckers' under their breath.
That said, I was in one in partic that was truly awful, disgustingly filthy, and a darn good candidate for being a poster boy for privatization. But most are indeed clean.
Comb, I'm fine with my local cops knocking some heads, in general. But over here at least, a large amount of them no longer work for us, they work for the system. D, this is where I both agree and disagree with you. It doesn't have to be privatized to become corrupt. Police - judges - fines - pay police - judges - fines ad infinum.
Wait till MAD gets their way and illegal BOC gets dropped to .05%. Then we can stick all kinds of suburban housewives in jail and clean out their savings accounts.
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01-06-2011, 12:05 PM
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Comb, I'm fine with my local cops knocking some heads, in general. But over here at least, a large amount of them no longer work for us, they work for the system. D, this is where I both agree and disagree with you. It doesn't have to be privatized to become corrupt. Police - judges - fines - pay police - judges - fines ad infinum.
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Problem is it comes down to trust and common sense. In the 1950's, if a child was caught scrumping apples it wasn't unknown for a cop to give him a cuff round the ear. Not hard enough to hurt, but hard enough to embarrass; to show him up in front of his friends. If the child was caught playing on a bomb-site left over from WW2 the cuff would be hard enough to hurt. Better to leave a temporary mark than have to explain to the parents that little Johnny's under half a ton of rubble because a wall collapsed.
But what would happen now if a kid comes home crying that a policeman had hit him? Would the parents consider that there may have been a valid reason, or react with anger first?
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01-06-2011, 12:17 PM
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Problem is it comes down to trust and common sense. In the 1950's, if a child was caught scrumping apples it wasn't unknown for a cop to give him a cuff round the ear. Not hard enough to hurt, but hard enough to embarrass; to show him up in front of his friends. If the child was caught playing on a bomb-site left over from WW2 the cuff would be hard enough to hurt. Better to leave a temporary mark than have to explain to the parents that little Johnny's under half a ton of rubble because a wall collapsed.
But what would happen now if a kid comes home crying that a policeman had hit him? Would the parents consider that there may have been a valid reason, or react with anger first?
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Here? Lawsuits. The parents would see the marks on their kid and see dollar signs. $$$$$. Then, this would lead to more regulation disallowing police to "assault" people.
Actually, I believe such things have already come to pass, both here and in your corner of the world.
Dave
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01-05-2011, 08:15 AM
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When the states started making Noknock warrants legal was when the system started downhill. Despite the Justice department's arguments it does violate the 4th Ammendment. A little considered argument against noknock is that it also violates the 6th Ammendment because the police will never tell you who told them that you had drugs in the house.
If they do find anything they get to keep all of your possessions, so naturally they are bound to "find" something - even if they have to bring it with them.
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01-05-2011, 08:19 AM
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Rob, surely your not saying the police would ever do anything not perfectly legal? Shocked, shocked I am
Pete
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