Like I said, the Indians are leaving the reservation.

[Charles]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoMND...layer_embedded

Can't blame this on "Fix News".

Chas

[noonereal]

I don't know why the AARP folks are spooked.

I know know one who complains about Medicare.

[OvenMaster]

Frankly? I'm delighted to see the protests, the uproar, the indignation.
I'm proud to see seniors fighting mad... and fighting back.

I was under the distinct impression that AARP was supposed to represent the interests of seniors to the government, not the interests of the government to seniors.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by OvenMaster

Frankly? I'm delighted to see the protests, the uproar, the indignation.
I'm proud to see seniors fighting mad... and fighting back.

I was under the distinct impression that AARP was supposed to represent the interests of seniors to the government, not the interests of the government to seniors.

Tell me why you feel the old should be worried. Medicare is generally accepted as a great plan and I know of no seniors who are not thrilled to have it.
I know the old are worried because of Fox and the GOP, but rationally, why should they be if Medicare is such a success?

[OvenMaster]

Originally Posted by noonereal

Tell me why you feel the old should be worried. Medicare is generally accepted as a great plan and I know of no seniors who are not thrilled to have it.
I know the old are worried because of Fox and the GOP, but rationally, why should they be if Medicare is such a success?

Why should they be worried? Rationing care comes to mind. So do cuts to Medicare, possible elimination of Medicare Advantage programs, exorbitant premium hikes, higher co-pays. And these are just off the top of my head.

In short, any changes for the worse to a program that works fair at best.

And in case you're wondering why I'm concerned, it's because I've got a pair of retired parents here in their 70's who are both angry as hell and worried sick about all this, and nothing I say calms them down. They're fairly satisfied with what they have now and want zero changes, and frankly, I can't say as I blame them. I wouldn't either.

They nor I have yet to read or hear about any aspect of health care reform that will directly benefit seniors.

Have I looked at the bill? Yes. It's so filled with rubbish, doublespeak, and deliberately arcane language it's not funny. In order to adequately translate it to standard English, one would need the entire code of U.S. law at hand to see which paragraphs and sentences have words struck out, added, changed, or altered. I'm not a lawyer. That bill should be written in plain English.

This health care reform plan is a joke. All the government ought to do is cover those who can't pay for insurance, help those who can pay according to their income, make sure no one is refused coverage for pre-existing conditions, and keep premiums reasonable.

How do we pay for all this? Stop the unnecessary bailouts and stop King George's unnecessary war.

/rant

[Charles]

Originally Posted by OvenMaster

Why should they be worried? Rationing care comes to mind. So do cuts to Medicare, possible elimination of Medicare Advantage programs, exorbitant premium hikes, higher co-pays. And these are just off the top of my head.

In short, any changes for the worse to a program that works fair at best.

And in case you're wondering why I'm concerned, it's because I've got a pair of retired parents here in their 70's who are both angry as hell and worried sick about all this, and nothing I say calms them down. They're fairly satisfied with what they have now and want zero changes, and frankly, I can't say as I blame them. I wouldn't either.

They nor I have yet to read or hear about any aspect of health care reform that will directly benefit seniors.

Have I looked at the bill? Yes. It's so filled with rubbish, doublespeak, and deliberately arcane language it's not funny. In order to adequately translate it to standard English, one would need the entire code of U.S. law at hand to see which paragraphs and sentences have words struck out, added, changed, or altered. I'm not a lawyer. That bill should be written in plain English.

This health care reform plan is a joke. All the government ought to do is cover those who can't pay for insurance, help those who can pay according to their income, make sure no one is refused coverage for pre-existing conditions, and keep premiums reasonable.

How do we pay for all this? Stop the unnecessary bailouts and stop King George's unnecessary war.

/rant

Well, you're ahead of me, I have no idea as to what health care reform is.

As far as King George's war, it's over. It WAS won at one time.

Now it's King Obama's war in Afghanistan. When was the last time anyone ever won a war in Afghanistan?

Personally, I don't think it much matters. We're gonna be slugging it out in the Middle East for a long time. If Shrub hadn't have done it, someone else would have been forced to.

Chas

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Charles

Personally, I don't think it much matters. We're gonna be slugging it out in the Middle East for a long time. If Shrub hadn't have done it, someone else would have been forced to.

Chas

I think it matters tremendously. Had we not gone to war against a "contained" country we would not have been in such bad economic shape and the money we spent could have been for national health care instead of for Exxon.

As to Afghanistan, we should have prosecuted this war with all our strength and not allowed the terrorists to keep a foothall there. Both wars were executed in an inept manner that did not put or safety first.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by OvenMaster

Why should they be worried? Rationing care comes to mind. So do cuts to Medicare, possible elimination of Medicare Advantage programs, exorbitant premium hikes, higher co-pays. And these are just off the top of my head.

In short, any changes for the worse to a program that works fair at best.

And in case you're wondering why I'm concerned, it's because I've got a pair of retired parents here in their 70's who are both angry as hell and worried sick about all this, and nothing I say calms them down. They're fairly satisfied with what they have now and want zero changes, and frankly, I can't say as I blame them. I wouldn't either.

/rant

I find this a sad post, seriously. Medicare is regarded as a tremendous success by all, yes even the radical right. For you parents to be scared of national health care being that they already have experience with Medicare is very upsetting and frankly an unconscionable situation that the republicans have caused.
I don't know what is wrong with this party but it just needs to go away and let a new mainstream one raise up from the ashes.
Between the rise of the "christen right", the Palin morons and this protect big business at all costs approach the republican party has become a blight on this great country, not an alternative.
I hope you guys run Palin in 2012 and the party collapses.

I remember John McCain near the end of the election facing a scared voter who said, "I'm scared of Barack Obama... he's an Arab terrorist..."

McCain responded "No, no ma'am. He's a decent family man with whom I happen to have some disagreements." “I want EVERYONE to be respectful, and lets make sure we are."
A woman later said that she was afraid to raise her child in a world where Obama was president, and McCain replied, "Well, I don't want him to be president, either. I wouldn't be running if I did. But, you don't have to be scared to have him be President of the United States."

McCain knew he had allowed his campaign to sell irrational fear and he was embarrassed and ashamed. It was the old John McCain.
The same disgusting crap is taking place today.
The Rove inspire modern GOP needs to be disbanded. It is just plain old bad for sociaty.

[cabinover]

Originally Posted by noonereal

I find this a sad post, seriously. Medicare is regarded as a tremendous success by all, yes even the radical right.

While many may regard it as a success, I'll bet the doctors facing 21% cuts in payment won't for long. Also according to this article the whole thing will be insolvent by 2017. That sound successful to me, kind of like the clunker program is.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124212734686110365.html

[merrylander]

These protesters are all planted by the GOP, they have an active campaign going on for their supporters to pack town hall meetings and other events. Couple that with all of Dr. No's lies about the trillion dollar cost - that is over ten years, so about 140 billion a year. There will be savings to offset that cost as things get rolling. Or the offer to cover end care counselling - he says it is government euthanasia. Or the idea that government is going to take over everything with the public insurance company - I will hereby bet $100 that the public plan is dead in the water, not that it was not a good idea.

I am also saying here that the GOP is flat out spreading lies and fighting dirty, but then what else could I expect.