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Old 12-10-2014, 12:15 PM
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I am ambivalent about this - for the most part - and believe if Gore was in office the result would've been similar.

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Old 12-10-2014, 01:07 PM
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Well we have this now. If true, not all has been disclosed.

Mark Udall Says The CIA Is Still Lying

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_6302894.html

I think this is old news to cause a any further harm that we cannot protect ourselves from.
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Old 12-10-2014, 01:19 PM
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America is awesome!

http://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-host-...235001597.html

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Fox News host Andrea Tantaros had a somewhat unique reaction to the Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA torture programs, which included for example forcing hummus into a detainee's rectum and threatening to rape a detainee's mother.

"The United States of America is awesome. We are awesome, but we've had this discussion" about torture, Tantaros said. She lamented, "the reason they want to have this discussion is not to show how awesome we are;" rather, "this administration wants to have this discussion to show us how we're not awesome." This is because "they apologized for this country, they don't like this country, they want us to look bad. And all this does is have our enemies laughing at us, that we are having this debate again."

She also alleges that the Senate Intelligence Committee torture report, announced in 2009 and released now over the Obama administration's objections, was a plot to distract from Obamacare's latest political woes.
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Pandering to the conservative loyalty gene. It's disloyal to make us look bad, the loyalty instinct says. But coming clean is actually good for repairing our reputation, for having moral credibility in the future.

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Old 12-10-2014, 01:43 PM
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Threats are probably SOP but who the heck would stick their fingers up a rectum??

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Old 12-12-2014, 10:22 AM
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Threats are probably SOP but who the heck would stick their fingers up a rectum??

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You really think any cia or military shove their own finger in a detainees ass? Broom handle? Sure. Axe handle? Absolutely. Jumping Cholla? Awesome!!! When they could find one.

Nothing like shoving a juicy jumping Cholla up a few hundred detainee butts, and then 12 years later, don't charge them and send them back home without as much as a, "Sorry about that." Just ask Khalid El-Masri.
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Old 12-10-2014, 02:05 PM
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Surprised Andrea is not a blond though she appears to be well equipped for the job.

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The thinking of the naysayers on the USA owning up to a wrong, is it is better to torture kill abuse in general the same tactics we hung Axis members in WWII for doing? But to then tell the world we did it is wrong? I say if we had not done it in the first place then we would not have to cover it up and lie about it or rationalize it use either.

Just how we react when it happens to our citizens should be enough to prove this point.


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Keep in mind too this is a partisan piece, though they do have good reason for being pissed at the CIA.

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Keep in mind too this is a partisan piece, though they do have good reason for being pissed at the CIA.

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CIA wasn't off the reservation but following orders. From the top.



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