Aliens, is there a cover-up?

[BlueStreak]

Man, you guys are sharp.

Dave

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

That's a perfect example of what I was saying. It was the best information available at the time. Very different thing than "the truth". You have to look at the information that goes into the formation of a hypothosis. Then you have to see if observation bears it out and if it is accurate in it's ability to predict future events.

Of course, it's also ancient. What's wonderful about living today is that there is so much information available it leads to so far more accurate conclusions. We, indeed, have come a long way in the last 2,000 years. Copernicus and Kepler really ushered in the modern age of science. Before that "science" was really as much superstition and religion as science.

We are in more agreement than it may appear. But the problem is folks take theory as fact.

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

I completely disagree. The religious right has waged war on science. Hardly infallible, they've been inaccurately discredited. Shit, there's a museum in Kentucky with cave man kids riding dinosaurs. This isn't a matter of exploring alternate interpretations consistent with what we know. This if pure fiction designed to suggest that the scientific community is incredible (as in "not credible") in an effort to support a belief that is not supported by evidence.

We have in many was abandon science while the rest of the world has moved forward. It will be part of the unraveling of America.

See?

Pete

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

We are in more agreement than it may appear. But the problem is folks take theory as fact.

A bigger problem is people don't know what "theory" means with regard to science. The words "theory" and "fact" probably don't even belong in the same context. Science would prefer "law", I think, to "fact". However, that's not to understate the validity of a scientific "theory". If a theory is not consistent with observation, then it is not a scientific theory. There is a bar that has to be met in order for a hypothesis to be called a theory. I can say "it's my theory that the moon is actually made of cheese." While in colloquial speech that may be grammatically correct, it is *not* a scientific theory. We have made observations that are in direct conflict with that hypothesis.

People exploit this confusion in terms to promote an agenda. It's popular to say "that's just a theory" when talking about science that an indifidual doesn't much like. To which it is popular to respond "so is gravity- so why don't you jump off a roof".

[piece-itpete]

Used to be, in order to be legitimate a theory had to be provable, there had to be a way to prove it. That a force we call gravity exists is easily provable by even a child. The theory part is 'how'.

Common culture takes theories as fact on a regular basis.

And a 'fact', my dad used to say, a fact is something that always has been true, is currently true, and always will be true, so there is no such thing as a fact because we don't know the future

Pete

[GWAR]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c3d_1215291532

Not to be taken as gospel, but something to think about, nontheless.
And I will be the first to admit that Im a card carrying skeptic, and will tell you I believe in one thing only, and thats the dirt beneath my feet at any given time, but I once saw something along with two other people, that I cant explain to myself, let alone explain it to someone else.
Is there a coverup? Most likely, but what I dont understand is how they think that we would all go crazy if we found out that we are the only ones here. I meen really, get over yourself, FFS

[Fast_Eddie]

My family and I went to Roswell on vacation a couple of years ago. We even bought an alien hitch cover for the 4Runner. Re-named her Ail-een. Went to the "museum". I'm sold. Sold that there is absolutely no reason to think anything unexplainable happend there.

Yeah, I've seen things in the sky that I can't say for sure what they were. Pretty sure I saw the Space Shuttle going over head right after sunset. Looked really weird 'till we thought about it for a while. I'm sure there's plenty to see and plenty that I would look at and say "what the hell is that?" That's a UFO, for sure, but I don't think there are any aliens popping by for a visit.

I think Occam's razor is the tool to use in these cases. Something weird in the sky- could be an alien, or God, or a kid in a baloon, or a hunk of Artic ice that broke off, was chemically altered by global warming, and is now lighter than air. Or could be experimental aircraft, or a weird reflection or a falling star. Which is the shortest line between observation and explanation? There's so much junk orbiting Earth at this point they have to track it to make sure they don't shoot a rocket into it. Stands to reason we'd see hunks of it from time to time.

By the way, I'd be really, really shocked to discover somehow (like we could know) that there isn't all kinds of crazy stuff out there. I'm pretty sure there's loads of stuff we'd call "life". I'm just pretty sure that if they popped over for coffee we'd know about it. Shit, we can't even cover it up when we exchange arms for hostages. Clinton couldn't cover up a blow job.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

...the shortest line between observation and explanation

huh. That's a pretty good line. Did I write that?

[piece-itpete]

I'm going with

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

... or a hunk of Artic ice that broke off, was chemically altered by global warming, and is now lighter than air. ...

Lmao!! :applause:

Pete

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

My family and I went to Roswell on vacation a couple of years ago. We even bought an alien hitch cover for the 4Runner. Re-named her Ail-een. Went to the "museum". I'm sold. Sold that there is absolutely no reason to think anything unexplainable happend there.

Yeah, I've seen things in the sky that I can't say for sure what they were. Pretty sure I saw the Space Shuttle going over head right after sunset. Looked really weird 'till we thought about it for a while. I'm sure there's plenty to see and plenty that I would look at and say "what the hell is that?" That's a UFO, for sure, but I don't think there are any aliens popping by for a visit.

I think Occam's razor is the tool to use in these cases. Something weird in the sky- could be an alien, or God, or a kid in a baloon, or a hunk of Artic ice that broke off, was chemically altered by global warming, and is now lighter than air. Or could be experimental aircraft, or a weird reflection or a falling star. Which is the shortest line between observation and explanation? There's so much junk orbiting Earth at this point they have to track it to make sure they don't shoot a rocket into it. Stands to reason we'd see hunks of it from time to time.

By the way, I'd be really, really shocked to discover somehow (like we could know) that there isn't all kinds of crazy stuff out there. I'm pretty sure there's loads of stuff we'd call "life". I'm just pretty sure that if they popped over for coffee we'd know about it. Shit, we can't even cover it up when we exchange arms for hostages. Clinton couldn't cover up a blow job.

I agree, ain't no aliens from outter space.

If they wuz, they wooda abducted me by now.

Chas