We Will Never, Ever, Ever, Have a Conversation About Race in America

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Is it fair to ask the other side to give something up when they had nothing to do with prior history?

You answer a question with a question. Does that mean you dismiss my question, or that you acknowledge that each group has valid concerns and aspirations?

Originally Posted by Zeke

That appears to be ongoing. Nobody teaches Manifest Destiny as a bad thing in the United States...

Yes they do. But conservatives call it 'liberal hatred of America' when they do.

Originally Posted by Zeke

Winners write the History books.

Not all of them. So you are saying that people should just forget their cultural history, if the 'winners' are bothered by it?

Again, your attitude towards others seems to be summed up as 'shut up.' Don't be surprised if they don't.

But acknowledgemet of true history costs you nothing, and would be a big help.

[piece-itpete]

I doubt anyone would deny black folks got a raw deal.

However, at least in areas they are the majority in, they need to step up and take control. Blaming others begins to wear thin.

Pete

[nailer]

The leaders (politicians) who claim to represent working and lower class African Americans' interests peddle the politics of slavery to maintain the status quo.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

You answer a question with a question. Does that mean you dismiss my question, or that you acknowledge that each group has valid concerns and aspirations?

It means if you want the goose, you take the sauce, too.

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Yes they do. But conservatives call it 'liberal hatred of America' when they do.

And historically justified/necessary/demanded.

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Not all of them. So you are saying that people should just forget their cultural history, if the 'winners' are bothered by it?

I'm saying that what your cultural history was has already been determined by the victors.

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Again, your attitude towards others seems to be summed up as 'shut up.' Don't be surprised if they don't.

But acknowledgemet of true history costs you nothing, and would be a big help.

1. That's a leap.
2. Not if it's your excuse for refusing to grow.

Entitlement is a Hell of a lot more popular than personal responsibility.

[VanishingPoi]

Originally Posted by finnbow

While I understand his point, he's conveniently forgetting a couple hundred years of history.

He's an idiot and conveniently forgetting a lot of things.