We Will Never, Ever, Ever, Have a Conversation About Race in America

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

Another viewpoint here from the very conservative Pat Buchanan. Just adding to the dialog, not forming or crafting an opinion.

http://humanevents.com/2013/07/19/bl...-white-racism/

I do wonder though as to why so many black teenagers dress the way they do, listen to hip-hop, etc. Is it that they do not know this leads to a dead end or are they products of their environment. What role do the black preachers play or are they all like Jackson, Sharpton and White? (self serving demagouges)

It's their culture. Just like the Chinese, Japanese, Mexicans, all of them have their own culture. We assimilate everyone else culture, so why can't we assimilate black culture? Is it too liberal?

[donquixote99]

Huh? We assimilate the heck out of black culture:

[icenine]

I would posit that unless the economy can be molded to be more inclusive to everyone, things will get worse. Just wait till the middle class gets mad about life.

[piece-itpete]

If PCs server in in the US, then are we having a discussion about race in America?

Anyone remember Clintons' Town Hall meetings on race?

Pete

[Zeke]

You cannot discuss race without admitting somebody got screwed. The minute you give that up, their descendents want something for it.

Until descendents lay that aside, talking about race creates more issues than it solves.

[nailer]

What's wrong with wanting to be treated as equal citizens instead of second class?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by nailer

What's wrong with wanting to be treated as equal citizens instead of second class?

Nothing, in a vacuum. But "equality" means different things to different people. Everyone brings their own baggage which, in their eyes, tilts the scale.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Zeke

You cannot discuss race without admitting somebody got screwed. The minute you give that up, their descendents want something for it.

Until descendents lay that aside, talking about race creates more issues than it solves.

Is it fair to ask the descendents to lay everything aside, as a precondition?

What if they want acknowledgement of the past that has been handed down to them? Do we have to be so afraid that someone's going to ask for 'stuff' that was have to stifle the truth?

Makes it sound like truth doesn't matter, what matters is someone might want some of your precious stuff. Material fear is producing moral cowardice.

[finnbow]

I would offer that the Ferguson shooting has indeed resulted in a nearly non-stop "conversation on race" ever since it occurred. I doubt, however, that this conversation has gotten us anywhere. It just hardens positions as each side questions the other's motives, sincerity, etc.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Is it fair to ask the descendents to lay everything aside, as a precondition?

Is it fair to ask the other side to give something up when they had nothing to do with prior history?

Originally Posted by donquixote99

What if they want acknowledgement of the past that has been handed down to them? Do we have to be so afraid that someone's going to ask for 'stuff' that was have to stifle the truth?

That appears to be ongoing. Nobody teaches Manifest Destiny as a bad thing in the United States...

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Makes it sound like truth doesn't matter, what matters is someone might want some of your precious stuff. Material fear is producing moral cowardice.

Winners write the History books.