Durham's Investigations Fizzles

[Rajoo]

The Durham investigation was a flop. But it’s a propaganda triumph.

Mueller amassed a mountain of evidence making clear the shocking sweep of Russia’s campaign to put Trump in the White House. He also showed how eager Trump, his family and his aides were to receive Vladimir Putin’s help. Yet Mueller bent over backward to avoid saying that Trump was guilty of a crime or that the whole affair met the legal definition of a criminal conspiracy.

Beginning in 2019, Durham spent years and millions of dollars investigating Crossfire Hurricane, the FBI’s investigation of the Russian interference effort. While his 300-page report excoriated the FBI, just about all the facts he discusses were detailed more than three years ago in an inspector general’s report that revealed serious problems with the way the bureau handled Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant requests, among other things.

But if you look at the way conservatives are spinning the report by Durham, you’d think he claimed that the FBI never should have investigated Russia’s efforts in the first place. That’s bonkers.

So we are back to arguing how someone was caught, not the crime itself. And the Mueller report has been accepted as a set pf facts, so Trump and his campaign colluded with Russia & Putin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-trump-russia/

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Nope? Not the least bit interesting.

You know you're not going to get the answer you want to your stupid question. So why waste your time asking the stupid question?

Because I so enjoy getting responses from stupid people.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

The Durham investigation was a flop. But it’s a propaganda triumph.
So we are back to arguing how someone was caught, not the crime itself. And the Mueller report has been accepted as a set pf facts, so Trump and his campaign colluded with Russia & Putin.

WTF? Special counsel Robert Mueller found no proof that President Donald Trump criminally colluded with Russia. No proof. Zip. Zero. Nada.

Where do you guys get your info from? Even CNN has stated that Mueller's report found no evidence of collusion.

Good Lord!

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

WTF? Special counsel Robert Mueller found no proof that President Donald Trump criminally colluded with Russia. No proof. Zip. Zero. Nada.

Where do you guys get your info from? Even CNN has stated that Mueller's report found no evidence of collusion.

Good Lord!

Oh, he certainly found evidence that Trump's campaign (Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Stone) coordinated with the Russians and he found all sorts of shady communications between Trump's other staff (Jared, Junior, Prince). What he didn't find was enough evidence to warrant a prosecution of a president for conspiracy, partly because of Trump's (successful) obstruction efforts (which Mueller clearly elucidated and Barr buried).

No matter. The country is tired of Trump still obsessing about the 2020 election being stolen and his disingenuous "Russia hoax" narrative. Trump has now been indicted in NY for multiple felonies and is likely to be indicted for several more in FL, GA and DC. I'm baffled by your insistence upon characterizing Trump, a person without a moral core and a proven fraud for decades, as always the innocent victim. Look at the number of people around him who have been implicated, indicted and convicted for multiple crimes in the last 6-7 years. His time is coming. Bank on it. He's a walking crime wave.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

Because I so enjoy getting responses from stupid people.

I'm so crushed into dust...

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I'm so crushed into dust...

What's wrong with someone willing to say a thing like that in public? (I refer to whell's confession of what he so enjoys, not your reply....)

[finnbow]

Durham is a talented prosecutor who had built up a solid reputation and who in recent years has apparently sunk into the right-wing conspiratorial fever swamps. If anybody had both the inclination and the legal ability to find some crimes committed against Mr. Trump, it was Durham.

Durham indeed tried to bring charges against at least medium-profile targets, but he kept losing in court. The underlying cause of his failure was blindingly obvious to anybody who was in touch with reality. As the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee found, Trump’s campaign was deeply corrupted by ties to Russia. And as the Justice Department’s inspector general concluded, the FBI’s investigation into Trump’s ties to Russia was in fact adequately predicated.

Perhaps Trump’s loyalists would have a point if their suspicions of misconduct had gone uninvestigated. This is why I argued from the outset that Durham’s appointment was a good thing — he was always unlikely to discover any serious crimes because he was pursuing an imaginary conspiracy, and his failure would expose the delusions that produced it.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023...bi-russia.html

[bobabode]

I thought Durham was supposed to catch the 'deep state' raw dogging Herr T'Rumpenfuhrer and his sugar daddy Putin? No?

IIRC one of our rightwing forum members was enamored with the notion that Billious Barr's pet poodle was going to eviscerate the FBI and the DOJ for doing the GQP dirty? No?

It was supposed to be "THE CRIME OF THE CENTURY" according to the Naranja Nitwit and his cheering section at Pox News. No?

What happened to the so-called fiscally sound party? The GQP pissed away $6.5 million on a frigging snipe hunt performed by so-called 'Bull' Durham over four years and they ended up with nothing but innuendo and zero evidence. You'd think they would've remembered just how bad HRC dragged their sorry asses for BenghaziGate less than a decade ago.

Meanwhile we have a trumptroll running his yap calling other people here "stupid". I'd be covering the mirrors and canceling my account if I'd proven myself to such a gullible tool.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

WTF? Special counsel Robert Mueller found no proof that President Donald Trump criminally colluded with Russia. No proof. Zip. Zero. Nada.

Where do you guys get your info from? Even CNN has stated that Mueller's report found no evidence of collusion.

Good Lord!

Good Lawd, you snuck in the word criminally. I simply posted a quote from the linked article. But since you are so vigorously defending your alleged crook and traitor, convicted sexual assaulter and all around conman,

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Special Counsel Robert Mueller may not have found evidence of a criminal conspiracy between Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign and Russia, but his report details extensive contacts between the campaign and Russian operatives who sought to influence the election.

That to me is collusion. Try and refute this.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-u...-idUKKCN1RU2MF

[Rajoo]

A Treasury Department statement Thursday offered a potentially significant clue, asserting that Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian and Ukrainian political consultant, had shared sensitive campaign and polling information with Russian intelligence services.

Kilimnik has long been alleged by U.S. officials to have ties to Russian intelligence. But the statement in a broader Treasury Department sanctions announcement was the first time the U.S. government had so directly drawn a connection from the Trump campaign to the Kremlin’s intelligence services. The revelation was all the more startling because it went beyond any allegation made in either special counsel Robert Mueller’s 2019 report or in an even more damning and detailed document released last year by the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Both those investigations were unable to determine what Kilimnik did with the data and whether he shared it further.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...a135e21fce6ebf