GOP's AHCA aka Trump-RyanCare

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I asked you a question. The question remains - Are you OK with McConnell's tactics and the resulting plan?

No.

Leaving the ACA in place as is - not an option. Even the Dems acknowledge that.

"Fixing the ACA" - I don't think its an option, not without pouring billions into it. ACA never attacked the underlying issue of cost of care anyway, so it was as flawed from the outset. I'm also not aware of any credible plans that Dems have put forward to "fix" the ACA. The Dems are right where the Repubs were a couple years ago, without a substantive answer to the question: Where's your plan?

Repealing the ACA - if we believe what we're told, the votes "aren't there". But I'd rather have this fight first, have that vote, and let the chips fall where they may. That would flush out both sides of the argument, and particularly put the Dems in the position of having to defend the ACA, warts and all, and possibly force them to provide a concrete plan with costs for "fixing" the ACA....if they can.

So...what's a shitgibbon?

[Chicks]

Jonesin' for votes...

https://www.propublica.org/article/i...lth-care-votes

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

So...what's a shitgibbon?

Bob's word, not mine. Here's a gibbon though.



It does have a striking resemblance to your Dear Leader.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

No.

Leaving the ACA in place as is - not an option. Even the Dems acknowledge that.

"Fixing the ACA" - I don't think its an option, not without pouring billions into it. ACA never attacked the underlying issue of cost of care anyway, so it was as flawed from the outset. I'm also not aware of any credible plans that Dems have put forward to "fix" the ACA. The Dems are right where the Repubs were a couple years ago, without a substantive answer to the question: Where's your plan?

The bottom line is that any GOP plan will be a employer-provided fee-for-service plan, as Obamacare was forced to be because of resistance at the time to single-payer. Anything else (complete repeal of Obamacare or single-payer) is a bridge too far for the GOP.

The only party with a viable plan that represents true change to the system is the Dems with single-payer, but its enactment would represent an existential threat for many in the health-care industry (e.g., insurance, pharamaceuticals) and would thereby require huge bipartisan support, something it's not going to get in the near future. So, we're essentially stuck with tweaked Obamacare for the time being. The quicker the GOP recognizes and admits this, the better.

[bobabode]

"Sen. Mitch McConnell has called off a vote this week on the Senate Republican health-care bill. That’s a good thing. Because if Republicans want to confirm every liberal caricature of conservatism in a single piece of legislation, they could do no better than vote on the GOP bill in its current form.
Here is the summary of the bill that Democrats will take to the American people in 2018: Republicans voted to cut $701 billion in taxes for corporations and the wealthy, and pay for it with $772 billion taken from Medicaid for the poor — all while pushing 22 million Americans off health care.
And Senate Republicans are writing the script for them. Have they lost their minds?" WP

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.250fc8585b90

Far right speech writer for Gee Dubya chimes in.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by bobabode

"Sen. Mitch McConnell has called off a vote this week on the Senate Republican health-care bill. That’s a good thing. Because if Republicans want to confirm every liberal caricature of conservatism in a single piece of legislation, they could do no better than vote on the GOP bill in its current form.
Here is the summary of the bill that Democrats will take to the American people in 2018: Republicans voted to cut $701 billion in taxes for corporations and the wealthy, and pay for it with $772 billion taken from Medicaid for the poor — all while pushing 22 million Americans off health care.
And Senate Republicans are writing the script for them. Have they lost their minds?" WP

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.250fc8585b90

Far right speech writer for Gee Dubya chimes in.

When you see Thiessen saying that, you know you're in deep shit. He's a loyal boy scout with little imagination.

[Dondilion]

The Repubs are caught in their own rhetoric.

Obamacare has become a working option to so many that to untie involves big political cost which sufficient Repubs are not prepared to pay.

What will unfold is a retreat full of spin.

[donquixote99]

But will the hyper-conservative funders let them get by with that? Look for new wave of well funded primary attacks from the hyper right if this is how it goes down.

[finnbow]

Marc Thiessen - "Paying for a massive tax cut for the wealthy with cuts to health care for the most vulnerable Americans is morally reprehensible."

No shit, Sherlock.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

But will the hyper-conservative funders let them get by with that? Look for new wave of well funded primary attacks from the hyper right if this is how it goes down.

The hyper right will encounter a different matrix this time...too many are energized around the survival of Obamacare.