Crash the train to stop it

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Oerets

With the consumption tax as one of their answers to the deficit. My hope the country will finally see thru the misdirection and lies. For once again this party shows the expectation of not having to pay their way. Perfectly willing to sponge off everyone else.

Much like those with means protecting their assets from seizure forfeiture when long term care is in need. Forcing the rest of us to pay. If the expectation of care without losing your nest egg is how you feel. What makes yo special? Should this not be available to everyone. Or is "so************************m" only OK when you are benefiting mooching off others?

Getting rid of tax collectors or the hiring of. Another stupid answer to fixing the nations money woes.

Who's "defunding the police" here, and why?

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Who's "defunding the police" here, and why?

""House Republicans' IRS Cuts Would Add Over $100B to Deficit: Budget Office""


https://www.newsweek.com/house-repub...office-1772485


""White House threatens to veto GOP bill that cuts $72B from IRS""


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/whi...l-cuts-72b-irs

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

From your post:

It is misleading to invoke 230 years of history when discussing the present national debt, in part because a large chunk of the $31 trillion debt (at the time of this reporting) was incurred over the past two decades. That being said, it is factual that roughly 25% of the current debt was accrued during the Trump administration.

But hey, I get it. $31 trillion is a gigantic number that most folks can't wrap their heads around. Trump added just over $6.7 trillion, and most folks can't wrap their heads around that number either.

So, who CAN wrap their heads around dollar signs that big? Why, Obama can.

Under President Obama, the national debt grew the most in dollar terms ($8.6 trillion) and was fifth by percentage at 74%. Obama fought the Great Recession with an $831 billion economic stimulus package and added $858 billion through tax cuts. Even though the fiscal year 2009 budget was set by President Bush, Obama added to it with the Economic Stimulus Act in 2009.

So Chicklet, why are you so upset about Trump, when Obama beat his number by almost $2 trillion?

Oh and so far Joey B has added about $3.5 Trillion to the debt, and we're only halfway through his 4 year term. At that rate, his contribution to the debt will eclipse Trump. Why aren't you similarly upset about that, Chickie?

Originally Posted by init4fun

Hello Mr. Whell,

Mr. Obama had 8 years to run up his $8.6 T, whereas Mr. Trump ran up his $6.7 T in only 4 years, so had Mr. Trump gotten his second term perhaps his number would have been $13.4 T. I don't see where any of those figures should be comfortable, or comforting, to anybody.....

So, no comment from Mike Whell the snake?

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

So, no comment from Mike Whell the snake?

Am I living rent-free in your brain now, Bobby? What makes you think I owe you a comment?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Am I living rent-free in your brain now, Bobby? What makes you think I owe you a comment?

You're just continuing your tactic of arguing incessantly until you finally lose an argument at which time you clam up rather than concede a point/argument.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

Am I living rent-free in your brain now, Bobby? What makes you think I owe you a comment?

Calm down liar. Just asking for an explanation of your shitty skills at math. The part where you compared Obama's numbers over two terms to Trump's one term. Is it you were just confused? or were you just hoping no one would notice your bald faced lie?

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You're just continuing your tactic of arguing incessantly until you finally lose an argument at which time you clam up rather than concede a point/argument.

Uh no. But you can think that if it makes you feel better.

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Calm down liar.

That's really all folks like you and Chickie have is name-calling. You never explain yourself when asked so why would you expect me explain myself to you?

Originally Posted by bobabode

The part where you compared Obama's numbers over two terms to Trump's one term. Is it you were just confused? or were you just hoping no one would notice your bald faced lie?

But I'll treat this as a learning opportunity for you about how dialogue looks.

1) You state that I "compared" Obama to Trump. That's a mischaracterization. I was asserting that Chicklet was engaged in faux outrage by conveniently over!ooking the fact that other recent presidents had a similar or worse record of deficit spending and debt creation.

2) If you insist that its a comparison that I'm making between Obama and Trump, I'll humor you just for a bit and remind you that the vast majority of debt under Obama was created in his first term via the so-called stimulus plan that wasnt really a stimulus plan. Obama also had a second term to fix some of the damage done in the first term. That didn't happen, and the debt still increased.

3) Again, if you insist that I was comparing, you conveniently failed to mention that I added Biden to the discussion as follows: "Oh and so far Joey B has added about $3.5 Trillion to the debt, and we're only halfway through his 4-year term. At that rate, his contribution to the debt will eclipse Trump.". Why have you chosen to overlook this paragraph?

So, that's how dialogue works. Your argument, easy as it was to refute, now gives you the opportunity to make a substantive contribution to the discussion. You know, something that might reqiire some analysis and thoughtfulness on your part. Something a bit more substantial than your usual "weak sauce" comment.

Or, you can just call me a liar and continue looking like an ass.

[bobabode]

It isn't namecalling when it's true, liar.

You can try to wave away your lies but the fact stands. You lie with little compunction, Mike Whell.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by whell

1) You state that I "compared" Obama to Trump. That's a mischaracterization. I was asserting that Chicklet was engaged in faux outrage by conveniently over!ooking the fact that other recent presidents had a similar or worse record of deficit spending and debt creation.

2) If you insist that its a comparison that I'm making between Obama and Trump, I'll humor you just for a bit and remind you that the vast majority of debt under Obama was created in his first term via the so-called stimulus plan that wasnt really a stimulus plan. Obama also had a second term to fix some of the damage done in the first term. That didn't happen, and the debt still increased.

3) Again, if you insist that I was comparing, you conveniently failed to mention that I added Biden to the discussion as follows: "Oh and so far Joey B has added about $3.5 Trillion to the debt, and we're only halfway through his 4-year term. At that rate, his contribution to the debt will eclipse Trump.". Why have you chosen to overlook this paragraph?

In other words they were all commited to kicking a bigger can down the road.