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01-12-2021, 08:55 AM
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Actually, he did. The ropes end once you enter the chamber. The lack of any destruction in any of those pictures really is conspicuous in its absence. But yeah, he's carrying a podium. I wonder what happened to it.
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I don't have photographic evidence to show the podium from which the presiding officer of the House leads that body is not within the ropes
, but logic would dictate that it is not within the reach of tourists. But the other photographs are irrefutable evidence that the folks who breached the Capitol are not taking an orderly stroll.
Recall when trump began his presidency lying about the size of the crowd at his inauguration. That was a simple and easily disproven lie. Yet he focused on it to inflate his importance. Similarly, you focused on the orderliness of the invaders - mentioning several times that they stayed within the ropes. Your obvious point was to show that these white law-breakers were somehow better than the people of color who took to the streets to protest violence against other citizens in the name of the law. You use a false premise to build your case, and thereby do harm to any merits of your argument that might exist. Those merits, if they exist, remain hidden.
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01-12-2021, 09:39 AM
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I don't have photographic evidence to show the podium from which the presiding officer of the House leads that body, but logic would dictate that it is not within the reach of tourists. But the other photographs are irrefutable evidence that the folks who breached the Capitol are not taking an orderly stroll.
Recall when trump began his presidency lying about the size of the crowd at his inauguration. That was a simple and easily disproven lie. Yet he focused on it to inflate his importance. Similarly, you focused on the orderliness of the invaders - mentioning several times that they stayed within the ropes. Your obvious point was to show that these white law-breakers were somehow better than the people of color who took to the streets to protest violence against other citizens in the name of the law. You use a false premise to build your case, and thereby do harm to any merits of your argument that might exist. Those merits, if they exist, remain hidden.
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The crowd on the 6th was HUGE. Yet the damage was incredibly sparse. And no buildings burned, no cars burned, no dumpsters burned, and nobody got free TV's.
There was violence, but it was absurdly sparse. And why did the police simply move the barriers out of the way for the crowd to enter?
I'm not justifying the violence by a few (very few).
And watch what happens in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkBMHjrj6I
I don't know who the guy was that was bashing the window, but it certainly appears the crowd was at least somewhat self policing. There seem to be some adults there.
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01-12-2021, 11:02 AM
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Loyal Opposition
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Originally Posted by Not Insane
The crowd on the 6th was HUGE. Yet the damage was incredibly sparse. And no buildings burned, no cars burned, no dumpsters burned, and nobody got free TV's.
There was violence, but it was absurdly sparse. And why did the police simply move the barriers out of the way for the crowd to enter?
I'm not justifying the violence by a few (very few).
And watch what happens in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkBMHjrj6I
I don't know who the guy was that was bashing the window, but it certainly appears the crowd was at least somewhat self policing. There seem to be some adults there.
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I don't see any self-policing going on here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1pIkbPvI8s
It is sad that so many people are operating under what Trump's former press secretary called alternative facts. I tend to have some faith in the court system. Certainly, courts make errors. That is why we have an appellate process. I cannot, however, see the logic that would suggest that dozens of courts have engaged in a conspiracy to reject meritorious claims of a stolen election. The more logical conclusion is that there was a failure of proof. And a consistent failure of proof.
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01-12-2021, 11:09 AM
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I don't see any self-policing going on here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1pIkbPvI8s
It is sad that so many people are operating under what Trump's former press secretary called alternative facts. I tend to have some faith in the court system. Certainly, courts make errors. That is why we have an appellate process. I cannot, however, see the logic that would suggest that dozens of courts have engaged in a conspiracy to reject meritorious claims of a stolen election. The more logical conclusion is that there was a failure of proof. And a consistent failure of proof.
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Different activity. I didn't say they self policed perfectly. Nobody does. They are, at the end of the day, human beings. Perfection is the enemy of excellence.
And they did self police. It's on video.
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01-12-2021, 11:37 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: The Swamp
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Insane
The crowd on the 6th was HUGE. Yet the damage was incredibly sparse. And no buildings burned, no cars burned, no dumpsters burned, and nobody got free TV's.
There was violence, but it was absurdly sparse. And why did the police simply move the barriers out of the way for the crowd to enter?
I'm not justifying the violence by a few (very few).
And watch what happens in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkBMHjrj6I
I don't know who the guy was that was bashing the window, but it certainly appears the crowd was at least somewhat self policing. There seem to be some adults there.
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The California woman who was shot received her fatal wound while climbing through a busted window....
Sparse......at the moment. On Inauguration Day? We shall see.
Over the weekend, I watched quite a bit of footage taken by those on both sides. It is unmistakable what is going on in DC, Trump is clearly trying to force his way into a second term..
Yes, massive crowds of chanting people bearing flags with the Dear Leaders image and name on them as he bellows through speakers from his bunker, clearly spewing bile, "....there are some very bad people in there....", while his legions use sheer crowd size to overwhelm and intimidate law enforcement as they push their way into the Capital Building.....
....is a sign of good things to come.
How?
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