Republican leaders to block US immigration measure

[Twodogs]

Originally Posted by bobabode

This bill was about immigrants serving in the armed forces and gaining a pathway to citizenship and your party of 'NO' did what they always do, block it for simply partisan reasons Jay.

Immigrants, or illegal immigrants? I know you libs have stopped using that phrase, but it means the ones who just swim across the river. If it is legal immigrants trying to do a short cut to citizenship, I'm all for it. If it's a back door farce for immunity I'm out.

[icenine]

How is a kid brought here without any choice when he/she was a child an illegal immigrant?

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Twodogs

Immigrants, or illegal immigrants? I know you libs have stopped using that phrase, but it means the ones who just swim across the river. If it is legal immigrants trying to do a short cut to citizenship, I'm all for it. If it's a back door farce for immunity I'm out.

It's 12 million people. You understand this dontcha? Even Reagan said it wasn't a problem...that they're doing the jobs that hard working Americans are too good for. You understand how it got to be 12 million people, yes? That NAFTA drove the price of farm crops down to the point where Mexican farmers could no longer afford to buy the seed, or run their farm operations without bleeding money. So they just stopped. Just shut it down. And workers who depended on those farm sector jobs fled to this country to survive.

You have Archer Daniels Midland, Con-Agra, Corn Products Inc., Cargill and the US Congress that passed NAFTA to thank for the explosion of undocumented immigrants from Mexico. As far as I'm concerned, the immigrants are just people who have been driven to the point where they will do what they need to for income to feed themselves and their families.

[bobabode]

Well put Ike.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Twodogs

Immigrants, or illegal immigrants?I know you libs have stopped using that phrase, but it means the ones who just swim across the river. If it is legal immigrants trying to do a short cut to citizenship, I'm all for it. If it's a back door farce for immunity I'm out.

Y'know Jay, we've been friends for years and I hope we can remain so but this purely partisan political warfare needs to cease for the country's sake. It's poisonous, corrosive and un American. Read Ike's post above as he put it better than I.
Regards, Bob

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Well put Ike.

Thanks...but I gotta tell you something I learned about the world. I had no idea what this was all about until a guy assigned to my caseload at the agency clued me in. Of course the staff psychiatrist said he was mentally ill...and thus the rest of the organization had decided that he was nuts. Which they reminded me of, every time I had to staff his case. I landed the majority of cases there, when it was a sorta scary guy that the doc said was nuts.

And I have to admit, it colored my initial impressions of the guy, until I realized he knew a lot more about all sorts of shit than I did. I owe a lot to that guy and others like him.

[piece-itpete]

Just think, we all could've gone with Bush Jr/McCain's plan and had this done and over.

Both sides demagogue this to death. The correct plan is almost certainly a plan that pisses everyone off.

The left is going to be very sad when the Senate goes right. But it'll be gerrymandering

Pete

[bobabode]

Counting your chickens before they hatch?

I have every confidence that the 'pubbie candidates will pull a Mourdock or somesuch and nail their swingin' cods to the platform planks of hate again.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Twodogs

Immigrants, or illegal immigrants? I know you libs have stopped using that phrase, but it means the ones who just swim across the river...

If by "river" you mean Atlantic Ocean...

Mexicans, for example, possess a far more solid claim than those of typical European stock to being Natives of this continent. That someone showed up and imposed borders -- then moved them around at a whim -- whilst (now) claiming Manifest Destiny is a pretty weak argument to presume who is illegal and who is not.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Answer me this. What is it about Denham's proposed Bill that your buddies at the Heritage foundation find to be "deplorable"?

This maybe?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/17/us...lone.html?_r=0