Benghazi attack - Terrorists or unruly crowd?

[piece-itpete]

You mean 'sell the oil to finance the opposition'?

Pete

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Boreas

You're kidding, right?

Not only did we intend to steal it, but we intended to use it to pay for the war, just like I said.

And just like Wolfowitz said.

John

And then there's this. Cheney setting up deals for the takeover of Iraqi oil seven months before 9/11.

http://my.firedoglake.com/perris/200...le-before-911/

http://www.judicialwatch.org/bulleti...qi-oil-fields/

John

[piece-itpete]

Well I'm glad to see they were prepared.

The money was to finance Iraqi reconstruction.

Pete

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

You mean 'sell the oil to finance the opposition'?

Pete

No, I don't. Read the links.

John

[piece-itpete]

I did. They say "These are documents released by the Commerce Department under a March 5, 2002 court order as a result of Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit concerning the activities of the Cheney Energy Task Force. The documents contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects,"

and

"These are documents turned over by the Commerce Department, under a March 5, 2002, court order as a result of Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit concerning the activities of the Cheney Energy Task Force. The documents contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as two charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.” The documents are dated March 2001."

Pete

[Boreas]

So, Pete, how is it that Cheney felt he could line up customers to operate Iraqi oil fields seven months before 9/11 and about 2 years before we invaded Iraq?

I'm trying to find the video that shows Wolfowitz testifying before Congress that the war would pay for itself after the oil started flowing. I know he said it but I can't find the video.

Still looking.

John

[piece-itpete]

From Wiki, take it as you wish:

"....Kampfner outlined Wolfowitz’s strategy for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which "envisaged the use of air support and the occupation of southern Iraq with ground troops, to install a new government run by Ahmed Chalabi’s Iraqi National Congress." Wolfowitz believed that the operation would require minimal troop deployment, Hersh explains, because "any show of force would immediately trigger a revolt against Saddam within Iraq, and that it would quickly expand."[34] The financial expenditure would be kept low, Kampfner observes, if "under the plan American troops would seize the oil fields around Basra, in the South, and sell the oil to finance the opposition."

On March 27, 2003, Wolfowitz told the House Appropriations Committee[39] that oil revenue earned by Iraq alone would pay for Iraq's reconstruction after the Iraq war; he testified his "rough recollection" was[39]: "The oil revenues of that country could bring between $50 and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years. Now, there are a lot of claims on that money, but ... We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon."[40] By October of that year, "Lawrence Di Rita, the Pentagon's chief spokesman, said 'prewar estimates that may be borne out in fact are likelier to be more lucky than smart.' [He] added that earlier estimates and statements by Mr. Wolfowitz and others 'oozed with uncertainty.'" Di Rita's comments came as a much less optimistic secret Pentagon study—which had been complete at the time of Wolfowitz's testimony—was coming to public light, and when actual production results in Iraq were coinciding with those projected in the less optimistic Pentagon study.[39]
...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz

Once again, the plan was to sell the oil to finance Iraq, not us. Planning is good.

They were optimistic, and as it turns out they were optimistic about everything.

But for better or worse they succeeded in changing the face of the ME.

Pete

[ebacon]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

. . . But for better or worse they succeeded in changing the face of the ME.

Pete

hehe.

That's like saying they didn't know what they were doing but they sure did a lot!

Hard work is all that matters.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Once again, the plan was to sell the oil to finance Iraq, not us. Planning is good.

They were optimistic, and as it turns out they were optimistic about everything.

But for better or worse they succeeded in changing the face of the ME.

Pete

Who's plan? Our plan, of course. How do we get to decide how, and to whom, Iraq pays to undo the damage we did?

You don't for one minute that Bush/Cheney would have permitted the Iraqis any say at all in this, do you? The plan was to have the Coalition Provisional Authority, and subsequently our puppet government, pay Haliburton et al for the job.

And you still haven't answered how it was Cheney felt he could hold an auction for Iraq oil before we invaded and before al Qaeda gave him an excuse to invade.

John

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

From Wiki, take it as you wish:

"....Kampfner outlined Wolfowitz’s strategy for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which "envisaged the use of air support and the occupation of southern Iraq with ground troops, to install a new government run by Ahmed Chalabi’s Iraqi National Congress." Wolfowitz believed that the operation would require minimal troop deployment, Hersh explains, because "any show of force would immediately trigger a revolt against Saddam within Iraq, and that it would quickly expand."[34] The financial expenditure would be kept low, Kampfner observes, if "under the plan American troops would seize the oil fields around Basra, in the South, and sell the oil to finance the opposition."

On March 27, 2003, Wolfowitz told the House Appropriations Committee[39] that oil revenue earned by Iraq alone would pay for Iraq's reconstruction after the Iraq war; he testified his "rough recollection" was[39]: "The oil revenues of that country could bring between $50 and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years. Now, there are a lot of claims on that money, but ... We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon."[40] By October of that year, "Lawrence Di Rita, the Pentagon's chief spokesman, said 'prewar estimates that may be borne out in fact are likelier to be more lucky than smart.' [He] added that earlier estimates and statements by Mr. Wolfowitz and others 'oozed with uncertainty.'" Di Rita's comments came as a much less optimistic secret Pentagon study—which had been complete at the time of Wolfowitz's testimony—was coming to public light, and when actual production results in Iraq were coinciding with those projected in the less optimistic Pentagon study.[39]
...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz

Once again, the plan was to sell the oil to finance Iraq, not us. Planning is good.

They were optimistic, and as it turns out they were optimistic about everything.

But for better or worse they succeeded in changing the face of the ME.

Pete

SO, who ended up paying for the reconstruction of Iraq?

Regards,

D-Ray