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03-29-2011, 12:18 PM
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The "Social Contract".
Some question was raised concerning the "Social Contract" that d-ray often refers to. I thought I would post this link to further clarify the meaning of "social contract". I decided to put it in this forum since it seems to encompass all aspects of human social interaction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract Thoughts, opinions? Dave
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03-29-2011, 12:21 PM
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03-29-2011, 02:02 PM
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The criticism I hear from Whell or read in this link has to do with the semantic use of the word "contract." Somehow, the criticism seems to use the legal meaning of "contract" as a trump card to invalidate the notion of a "social contract."
Isn't that kinda like saying that you need to give a rabies shot to a hot dog? As a German speaker, I'm quite familiar with compound words and am able to recognize that "social contract" is a compound word used to explain a concept that differs materially from "contract" used in a purely legal context.
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03-30-2011, 01:28 AM
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Regards, D-Ray
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03-30-2011, 08:25 AM
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03-30-2011, 10:27 AM
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 Dave
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03-30-2011, 11:47 AM
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Interestingly, many of the conservatives who reject evolution also embrace economic Darwinism - the survival of the fittest. Some of us would see that as survival of the creatures who place profits above all other values. Concern for the environment, concern for the plight of working people, concern for the community are all signs of weakness, unless such concern can be leveraged to enhance profits.I wonder what a society would look like if it was based on the golden rule stated in the Bible rather than the one that states "them that's got the gold makes the rules." Regards, D-Ray
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07-23-2011, 05:46 PM
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YAWN...this thread sucks. Last edited by djv8ga; 07-23-2011 at 05:52 PM.
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07-24-2011, 04:37 PM
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Let's put some concrete to this.. Public Housing.. We REQUIRE a bunch of stuff from folks that live in public housing. We require that they give up their 2nd Amend. rights in some cases. We require that they give up certain 4th and 5th amendments (inspections and admin access) that others are not asked to give up. Many grannies have been booted from public housing because some niece or nephew was peddling dope from her door. I THINK -- that public housing OUGHT TO BE contigient on keeping your kids in SCHOOL until they get a diploma --- but we can't ask THAT can WE???? So how do you make a UNIVERSAL "contract" with people you don't know, will never meet and have no mutual influence? Those things don't phase the lefties.. They LOVE UNIVERSAL solutions.. But even in the case of the altruistic, all-loving, all-caring govt --- they ask for shit in return for handouts. One size fits all solutions to every ill. Heck they can make Rhodes scholars out of kids with Crack moms.. Same in the private charities -- Kind of... You might be asked to praise the lord in exchange for a meal. Or to help sweep the stairwells -- the kinda of stuff that causes holy revolution to break out if you tried that crap in PUBLIC housing.. MY humble opinion of the social contract is that you work for better options for people striving to do the right things. Like choices in public education for parents whogiveashit. And real freedom to drive a cab.. Not just a job for guys who have an uncle in City Hall. And anyone that falls by the wayside needs one-on-one time -- not just a check and some cheese -- to fix their problems.. It's the diff between the functional, the "couldbe" functional, the "usedtobe" functional, and the dysfunctional that makes the idea of a UNIVERSAL social contract a non-starting pipedream... Can we ask you not to break-dance or gang-bang your way thru high school til you predictably drop-out? NO - we can't.. Because of respect for individual soveignty -- you know -- that old dead LIBERAL concept that died with heart of the Democrat party.... Last edited by flacaltenn; 07-24-2011 at 04:44 PM.
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07-23-2011, 08:43 PM
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Everyman for himself. The ultimate winner has everything, and no one else even exhists. What is the point to being super wealthy or well tto do if there are no other humans to (pick your thoughts - rule over, share with, make jealous, take more from, give to, etc). Monopoly is a fun game, but in real life it would suck. I win and have everything - no one else has anything. So being human means being social. Without a person might as well crawl under a rock and live entirely uninterruped for the remainder of their life. BTW - excellent link and great thread too.
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