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08-06-2018, 08:38 PM
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Co-opting the religious establishment is no doubt part of the strategy for regional cultural dominance.
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Point taken.
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08-07-2018, 06:08 AM
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Today is the big day when Rick Gates, Manaofrt's partner in crime takes center stage in the trial as a witness for prosecution. But Gates has a huge credibility problem, he is as good or a better liar than Trump. So the gloves are sure to come off and realistically attacking Gate's credibility is the only defense they have. Let's hope Judge Elliot restrains himself from pontificating and let the two sides duke it out.
Rick Gates — and the lies he’s admitted telling — to take center stage at Manafort trial
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.3911fcedf008
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- and the lies he's admitted telling -
This guy also admitted stealing from a number of people including Manafort.
The big question - What is the value of such a witness?
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08-07-2018, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Dondilion
- and the lies he's admitted telling -
This guy also admitted stealing from a number of people including Manafort.
The big question - What is the value of such a witness?
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The same as each and every cooperating witness - provide eyewitness corroboration of other hard evidence.
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08-07-2018, 09:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dondilion
- and the lies he's admitted telling -
This guy also admitted stealing from a number of people including Manafort.
The big question - What is the value of such a witness?
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As finn has posted, he is a corroborating witness, not a 'he said'.
The prosecution has Manafort's bank and tax records, he just needs to connect the dots. Even so, this case is not a slam dunk by any means since there is a chance that there is a juror or two who is a member of Club Dotard.
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08-07-2018, 11:17 AM
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The Ultimate Betrayal of Paul Manafort
When Rick Gates turned against his former boss, he described a parallel ethical universe where lying and cheating were as comfortable as a well-tailored ostrich suit.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...trayal/566945/
Small wonder Donny is freaking out. His underling Cohen could be flipping on him in the same way Gates flipped on Manafort. Donny lives the exact same amoral life as Manafort, where money, power and greed are tantamount.
Let us hope there are no Whell-like idiot lemmings on the jury.
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08-07-2018, 01:16 PM
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Jigsawed
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rajoo
As finn has posted, he is a corroborating witness, not a 'he said'.
The prosecution has Manafort's bank and tax records, he just needs to connect the dots. Even so, this case is not a slam dunk by any means since there is a chance that there is a juror or two who is a member of Club Dotard.
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Apart from 'member of Club Dotard' there are also many people who are just averse to this type of witness.
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08-07-2018, 01:47 PM
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Apart from 'member of Club Dotard' there are also many people who are just averse to this type of witness.
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“This type of witness”? You mean someone who is actually willing to tell the truth about his grifter boss? Would you include whistle blowers in your condemnation?
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08-07-2018, 01:58 PM
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Apart from 'member of Club Dotard' there are also many people who are just averse to this type of witness.
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Organized crime cases (which, by definition, includes virtually anything touching Russia or Ukraine ) frequently use cooperating witnesses. Organized crime criminals tend to hang out with other criminals. It has always been thus.
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08-07-2018, 04:21 PM
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“This type of witness”? You mean someone who is actually willing to tell the truth about his grifter boss? Would you include whistle blowers in your condemnation?
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Not a condemnation. Nothing against whistle blowers. Just ventilating peculiarities in trying to achieve resolution in the justice system.
Many a times jurors just disregard such a witness...a negative character singing loudly because he is promised a deal.
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08-07-2018, 04:55 PM
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Then, there is jury nullification.
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