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02-25-2015, 09:54 AM
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Taxing the rich in Minnesota
It works.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-g...b_6737786.html
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When he took office in January of 2011, Minnesota governor Mark Dayton inherited a $6.2 billion budget deficit and a 7 percent unemployment rate from his predecessor, Tim Pawlenty, the soon-forgotten Republican candidate for the presidency who called himself Minnesota's first true fiscally-conservative governor in modern history. Pawlenty prided himself on never raising state taxes -- the most he ever did to generate new revenue was increase the tax on cigarettes by 75 cents a pack. Between 2003 and late 2010, when Pawlenty was at the head of Minnesota's state government, he managed to add only 6,200 more jobs.
During his first four years in office, Gov. Dayton raised the state income tax from 7.85 to 9.85 percent on individuals earning over $150,000, and on couples earning over $250,000 when filing jointly -- a tax increase of $2.1 billion. He's also agreed to raise Minnesota's minimum wage to $9.50 an hour by 2018, and passed a state law guaranteeing equal pay for women. Republicans like state representative Mark Uglem warned against Gov. Dayton's tax increases, saying, "The job creators, the big corporations, the small corporations, they will leave. It's all dollars and sense to them." The conservative friend or family member you shared this article with would probably say the same if their governor tried something like this. But like Uglem, they would be proven wrong.
Between 2011 and 2015, Gov. Dayton added 172,000 new jobs to Minnesota's economy -- that's 165,800 more jobs in Dayton's first term than Pawlenty added in both of his terms combined. Even though Minnesota's top income tax rate is the 4th-highest in the country, it has the 5th-lowest unemployment rate in the country at 3.6 percent. According to 2012-2013 U.S. census figures, Minnesotans had a median income that was $10,000 larger than the U.S. average, and their median income is still $8,000 more than the U.S. average today.
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02-25-2015, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Joad
passed a state law guaranteeing equal pay for women
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Maybe he ought to introduce a bill titled "Equal work for women."
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02-25-2015, 10:35 AM
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I don't get it.
Everywhere I have ever worked there was one pay scale, not two. Men made no more money than women. In fact, women in higher positions made more money than virtually all of the men, lower on the totem.
So, where is it? Is it an advancement thing, more than a pay thing? I dunno. Maybe I'm missing something?
We've had a politician here complaining that girls are "excluded" from science. They are?
Since when? I went to school in the '70s and there were girls in my science class, in the biology class, higher math.......... There are women to be found in scientific fields throughout recent history............
WTF? Somebody is gonna have to 'esplain this to me.
Dave
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02-25-2015, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueStreak
I don't get it.
Everywhere I have ever worked there was one pay scale, not two. Men made no more money than women. In fact, women in higher positions made more money than virtually all of the men, lower on the totem.
So, where is it? Is it an advancement thing, more than a pay thing? I dunno. Maybe I'm missing something?
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That's been my experience too.
In fact white women had it made where I worked.
The DOT got affirmative action points for hiring and promoting them.
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02-25-2015, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueStreak
I don't get it.
Everywhere I have ever worked there was one pay scale, not two. Men made no more money than women. In fact, women in higher positions made more money than virtually all of the men, lower on the totem.
So, where is it? Is it an advancement thing, more than a pay thing? I dunno. Maybe I'm missing something?
We've had a politician here complaining that girls are "excluded" from science. They are?
Since when? I went to school in the '70s and there were girls in my science class, in the biology class, higher math.......... There are women to be found in scientific fields throughout recent history............
WTF? Somebody is gonna have to 'esplain this to me.
Dave
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now I am sure this has changed to a degree but when I worked early in life in more physical jobs, women got the same pay but did the light work. If anything it was the men who got the short end.
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03-07-2015, 09:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueStreak
I don't get it.
Everywhere I have ever worked there was one pay scale, not two. Men made no more money than women. In fact, women in higher positions made more money than virtually all of the men, lower on the totem.
So, where is it? Is it an advancement thing, more than a pay thing? I dunno. Maybe I'm missing something?
We've had a politician here complaining that girls are "excluded" from science. They are?
Since when? I went to school in the '70s and there were girls in my science class, in the biology class, higher math.......... There are women to be found in scientific fields throughout recent history............
WTF? Somebody is gonna have to 'esplain this to me.
Dave
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There are millions of places without pay scales....do not assume everyone is getting paid equally for the same work. I think you are assuming every company is like yours or the US military. Remember people negotiate for salaries all the time. And historically women git paid less for the same work.
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03-07-2015, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by icenine
There are millions of places without pay scales....do not assume everyone is getting paid equally for the same work. I think you are assuming every company is like yours or the US military. Remember people negotiate for salaries all the time. And historically women git paid less for the same work.
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This is why the post was phrased as a question. I was not offering an opinion, I was seeking input.
Dave
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03-08-2015, 10:49 AM
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First off, lets not forget how Unemployment numbers are calculated. It's not really employment based unemployment compensation based. Meaning, once you fall off the book as collecting said insurance, your considered employed. Maybe more accurately, not unemployed.
The majority of the jobs "created" here have been public sector and service/retail related. Many 50 somethings here in MN [like myself] are gainfully under employed again after the shakeup but it's in one of these areas. I consider myself fortunate earning around 65% of my income for the last 10+ years in one of these jobs but I'm certainly not going to get in line to shake his hand. He had nothing to do with it.
Here is a interesting read for ya. You can hardly argue the source either. The "RED" Star and Tribune is about as left leaning as it gets.
http://www.startribune.com/blogs/277231662.html
I personally know dozens of folks around here under 65 who just gave up looking. I wonder how big that category of folks really is.
Come on to MN. I think Orange Julius is hiring.
RC
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04-06-2015, 02:59 PM
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The Republican governors are right to be thinking of ditching trickle-down but the people who vote for them don't realize it.
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