Muslim Ban Loses in Court

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

First you convince them the traditional media is thoroughly dishonest. Then, you convince them that truth can only be found in media sycophant to the party. Then, you fill them with party propaganda.

Welcome to 21st Century America.

Some truth, only that it is not necessary to convince anyone of the dishonesty of the traditional media.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Some truth, only that it is not necessary to convince anyone of the dishonesty of the traditional media.

Sounds like you think the traditional media is always completely dishonest. I don't think even Brietbart is always completely dishonest.

I don't think the traditional media is always completely honest, but I think they are miles better than Brietbart.

[sheltiedave]

Trump is playing a high risk, high reward game. He is attempting to leverage the goodwill he does not have to reinforce his power through fear, and media manipulation. Witness his masterful management in getting the media to list every terrorist attack they have covered worldwide over the past two years, just by saying they have neglected their coverage responsibilities.

He perceives any terrorist attack on US soil as a validation of his power, even though he is at the same time delegitimizing the intelligence and security agencies that are tasked with preventing such attacks. Whenever one does happen, he isn't going to provide any additional resources to stop such attacks, he is going to grab as much additional power as he can. Reichstag, anyone?

By messing with the judicial system and intelligence/security agencies, Trump is attempting to consolidate power in his own hands. In the long run, this will not work, as Trump's modus operendi in the business world leads to chaos, money disappearing, and brand bankruptcies. The same will happen within the federal government.

I am counting on the 10% margin that, in reality, has decided all the Presidential elections since Bush/Dukakis. You may be able to cow/fool/flummox/flimflam them for a year or two, but slowly they will(hopefully) have their blinders removed. As they do, the election balance will tilt slowly to the Democrats. Warren is the first to recognize and begin deploying an effective strategy to counterbalance Trump, and she will not be the last.

[LN124308]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

Trump is playing a high risk, high reward game. He is attempting to leverage the goodwill he does not have to reinforce his power through fear, and media manipulation. Witness his masterful management in getting the media to list every terrorist attack they have covered worldwide over the past two years, just by saying they have neglected their coverage responsibilities.

He perceives any terrorist attack on US soil as a validation of his power, even though he is at the same time delegitimizing the intelligence and security agencies that are tasked with preventing such attacks. Whenever one does happen, he isn't going to provide any additional resources to stop such attacks, he is going to grab as much additional power as he can. Reichstag, anyone?

By messing with the judicial system and intelligence/security agencies, Trump is attempting to consolidate power in his own hands. In the long run, this will not work, as Trump's modus operendi in the business world leads to chaos, money disappearing, and brand bankruptcies. The same will happen within the federal government.

I am counting on the 10% margin that, in reality, has decided all the Presidential elections since Bush/Dukakis. You may be able to cow/fool/flummox/flimflam them for a year or two, but slowly they will(hopefully) have their blinders removed. As they do, the election balance will tilt slowly to the Democrats. Warren is the first to recognize and begin deploying an effective strategy to counterbalance Trump, and she will not be the last.

+1. Very well stated.

[+48v]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

......Whenever one does happen, he isn't going to provide any additional resources to stop such attacks, he is going to grab as much additional power as he can. Reichstag, anyone?

......not be the last.

x2

This ham-fisted ban is a strategic win/win play on Donald’s part. If unchallenged or upheld it feeds his dictatorial ego and further chips away the foundation of Lady Liberty. The "yeehaaws" are deafening.

When/if another terrorist attack happens upon US soil (perp immigrant or domestic) (thwarted or not), Trump & Co. will bellow in vindication.

The clout of “I told you so” is a very powerful poison pill. Ultimately it’s a hedge bet–win. Worth to him the potential short-term injury to his ego and over reaching authority? Well, there’s no doubt this recent ruling cuts him to his core and he will throw his typical tantrum. But this ain’t his first time at the dice table and the "reward" will be HUGE.

Well played? [sigh]

[Rajoo]

Problem is that the Democratic Party headed by Pelosi and Schumer has very little credibility with the people (bet less than Trump at this stage) and whether this has rubbed off on Warren, only time will tell. My fear is that they will take every opportunity to grandstand and vilify Trump which helps them with their constituents while not working very well for the party in the long run.

There must be a movement first to banish these ineffective corrupt leaders.

[merrylander]

Trump is a one trick pony, note that although he got elected so did 98% of the incumbents. People want change? Yeah sure.

[sheltiedave]

Check this link out... http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/qu...80-of-the-time

If I read it correctly, the federal circuit with the lowest percentage of cases that were overturned by the Supreme Court is parked at 55%. Also, it seems the majority of the overturned cases with the Ninth Circuit were involving murder and sentencing cases. It does appear that the 80% of overruled cases, are, in fact, lying by omission of facts. Only presenting figures, without going into the types of cases, and without presenting the complete set of statistical facts, negates the fact that the Supreme Court overturns a range of between 55% and close to 85% of all federal circuit cases, every year.

This means all the Federal Circuit courts tend to be less conservative than the Supreme Court, and that more than half of all Circuit Court cases that make it to the Supreme Court are going to be overturned. Under this microscope, the Ninth does not look like the outlier that most conservatives try to cast a shadow upon...

[ZeroJunk]

Also, if it does not stand a good chance of being overturned the Supreme Court is not going to hear it anyway.

[sheltiedave]

There is skullduggery from many different countries going on, at some level, all the time. I am sure there are at least a couple of the band of seven who have active and ongoing plots, along with at least a few of the fifteen to twenty other principle Muslim countries.

The largest problem I have with Trump's EO is twofold. It was written by an idiot who made no allowances for legal immigrants, citizens, and vetted aliens with paperwork to gain entry, and the order was promulgated without any consultation from the State Department, INS, CIA, DHS, and other appropriate agencies.

Trump wants to run the government as a business, and it is not a business. You do not run the country by fiat.