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09-06-2022, 06:59 PM
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I don't actually see it, other than Mike Pence trying to woo the main stream churches, and I'm sure the churches donate a lot of money.
But I don't see any Christians ruling the country. Y'all will have to convince of the Nat C take over.
I think the worst of it was Billy Graham's love for Lyndon Johnson, trying to convince everyone that Jesus thought Napalm was good stuff (my spin). We haven't seen anything like that since.
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What do you call the effective repeal of Roe vs. Wade by the Supreme Catholic Court of the United States, aka SCCOTUS, even more powerful than the Pope himself. Abortion is supported by 61% of Americans.
Public funding of religious schools? School prayer/prayer before a high school football game? In God We Trust signs in Texas classrooms?
If you don't believe that these are not signs of government sponsored Christinization of America, you should buy the Brooklyn bridge.
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09-06-2022, 07:47 PM
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What do you call the effective repeal of Roe vs. Wade by the Supreme Catholic Court of the United States, aka SCCOTUS, even more powerful than the Pope himself. Abortion is supported by 61% of Americans.
Public funding of religious schools? School prayer/prayer before a high school football game? In God We Trust signs in Texas classrooms?
If you don't believe that these are not signs of government sponsored Christinization of America, you should buy the Brooklyn bridge.
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The repeal of Roe vs Wade was just de-centralization of political power, they kicked it back to the states for them to make their own decisions. It also cut Federal Funding for most abortions.
Kansas, that dreaded Red State, full of conservative Republicans and Christians actually let the people vote in a political decision (for once) as soon as Roe vs Wade was repealed.
We're Pro-Choice now. Not Pro-Life. By a huge margin, no less, like 55% to 40%. There's that crazy 40% Trumpkin thing again (Pio might get a kick out the 40%). Not sure where the funding comes from for the women who can't pay.
I never seen, or heard about prayer in schools, or at any sporting events in Kansas. "In God We Trust" is printed on all our money, I don't see it any where else.
Even our Catholic schools in Kansas are private tuition. If there are government funded religious schools, I'm not aware of it.
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09-06-2022, 09:39 PM
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Ha.
Rajoo was referring to a Supreme Court ruling about a High School coach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwQJo1La1-I
So now it goes back to each state to decide if prayer can be allowed in schools.
Anyone can privately pray at any time, any place. It's allowing others to see you, and know what you're doing that's an issue.
Christ said to only pray in private, not showing off to other people.
The coach defied the teaching of Jesus. I hope he wasn't praying for the other team to lose. And the powers of evil have now made it legal.
But it's not like the kids are being forced to do it.
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09-07-2022, 05:39 AM
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Allowing public school tax dollars to fund private church tuition. The so call charter schools eroding chipping away at public schools.
The CRT issue, Abortion Gender even Creation and Climate is being question not on the facts or science. Rather on a segments core values and beliefs. School board elections across the country are being targeted by churches as ripe pickings.
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09-07-2022, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Oerets
Allowing public school tax dollars to fund private church tuition. The so call charter schools eroding chipping away at public schools.
The CRT issue, Abortion Gender even Creation and Climate is being question not on the facts or science. Rather on a segments core values and beliefs. School board elections across the country are being targeted by churches as ripe pickings.
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Not so much. I went to Catholic schools, and sure, Religious Ed was part of the curriculum. But Catholic teachings did not supplant or inform the teaching of science, math, history, or any other subject matter. In fact, in 8th grade, I was a good little environmentalist and did a science project on the impact of chlorofluorocarbons on the ozone layer.
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09-07-2022, 10:12 AM
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By the allowing of public funds to support the sending of students to private and religious schools. At first it seemed to be an attempt at breaking teacher unions, now to bring back religion to the schools on the tax payers dime.
This country been able to survive for this long because of the separation of church and state. To now with the Johnson Amendment being under attack.
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09-07-2022, 10:53 AM
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The separation of church and state is essentially an artificial one. The real power of the state is its ability to wield violence and that has always been infused with religious fervor.
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09-07-2022, 12:10 PM
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The separation of church and state is essentially an artificial one. The real power of the state is its ability to wield violence and that has always been infused with religious fervor.
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That is a quintessential Russian attitude. We had a thing we call the Enlightenment that spread the idea that religious fervor is not healthy for children and other living things. Governments with religious fervor are bad, and governments doing violence with religious fervor are are about as ghastly bad as it gets.
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09-07-2022, 04:21 PM
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That is a quintessential Russian attitude. We had a thing we call the Enlightenment that spread the idea that religious fervor is not healthy for children and other living things. Governments with religious fervor are bad, and governments doing violence with religious fervor are are about as ghastly bad as it gets.
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The Russians were more forthright.
The Enlightenment was skin deed. It did not prevent the state from grabbing the religious symbols, accoutrements and mimes to employ in the suppress and control of the people.
All those states that were supposed to be exposed to this Enlightment went to Africa under a God head and wreaked havoc.
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09-08-2022, 10:38 AM
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The Russians were more forthright.
The Enlightenment was skin deed. It did not prevent the state from grabbing the religious symbols, accoutrements and mimes to employ in the suppress and control of the people.
All those states that were supposed to be exposed to this Enlightment went to Africa under a God head and wreaked havoc.
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Being forthrightly fervorous is no virtue.
I of course would never claim that enlightenment values well all-pervasive in the west, erasing all the old time religion and stuff. And particularly in wartime, or when dealing with non-white others, big exceptions were made.
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