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Old 11-04-2016, 11:00 PM
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There is a whole more of this story at the link for this clip.



http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump...-europe-516895

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If Kurt Eichenwald doesn't get a Pulitzer out of this, it means Trump won Tuesday and Kurt is in Gitmo along with everybody else who ever wrote the truth about this orange haired proto fascist named Trump.
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I yawned when he (Kurt) mentioned Brexit, and Frau Merkel election misfortunes.

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It's Russia. In Russia they always love their strongman leaders.......even when they don't.

Next your going to tell me why North Koreans "love" Kim Jong Un.
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Old 11-05-2016, 08:45 AM
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It's Russia. In Russia they always love their strongman leaders.......even when they don't.

Next your going to tell me why North Koreans "love" Kim Jong Un.
Virtually everything you hear about Russia in this country is a lie put out by our government in order to create the illusion that they are Boogeymen, so that they have an excuse to feed the insatiable monster that is our own Military Industrial Complex.
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Old 11-05-2016, 08:59 AM
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Virtually everything you hear about Russia in this country is a lie put out by our government in order to create the illusion that they are Boogeymen, so that they have an excuse to feed the insatiable monster that is our own Military Industrial Complex.
The price of empire. Are you thinking a Trump presidency will bring about the demise of our empire sooner that status quo Clinton? I'm thinking that may just be the case. However I also think Trump will push us closer to civil war than Clinton.
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Old 11-05-2016, 10:32 AM
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Virtually everything you hear about Russia in this country is a lie put out by our government in order to create the illusion that they are Boogeymen, so that they have an excuse to feed the insatiable monster that is our own Military Industrial Complex.
Spoken like a good little Young Pioneer.


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Old 11-05-2016, 10:33 AM
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Virtually everything you hear about Russia in this country is a lie put out by our government in order to create the illusion that they are Boogeymen, so that they have an excuse to feed the insatiable monster that is our own Military Industrial Complex.
The MIC is part, but another dimension is emanating from a faction that has been kicked out and barred from Russia. Their members are more anti Putin than anti Russian per se.

After the break up of the Soviet Union there was a nasty struggle ensued by different groups to get control of the commanding heights of the economic.

Eventually several people emerged who got control of premium assets for peanuts. These were the oligarchs and quite a number of them had close links with George Soros.

However there was still jealousy and fighting among the oligarchs because it was perceived that those who were close to the then leader of Russia, Yeltsin, were in the driving seat. This was notably so for Boris Berezovsky who had Yeltsin eating out of his hand.

The Berezovsky group encouraged Yeltsin to step down in favor of a safe hand--Putin.

Putin did not turned out to be safe. He forced them to pay reasonable tax and banned them from politics. Several oligarchs fled the country...Gudinsky went to Israel, Berezovsky went England, others end up in France and America.

However what created the most venom against Putin was when the Oligarch, Mikhail Khadorkovsky, was given a prison term. He was the darling of Bloomberg, Soros and other western interest who wanted more than a piece of the Russian pie, especially oil and gas.

The exiled oligarchs and their friends have great influence in the British government--they have bought it.

Their problem in America was Barack Obama...he is wary of them trying to push him into an active hostile mode.
The anti Putin/Russia, pro war rant coming daily from Newsweek and sometimes CNN are from them and their neo-con friends. They tried to go around Obama but failed, but now they are looking to Clinton.


Mikhail Khodorkovsky: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Khodorkovsky

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Old 11-05-2016, 10:46 AM
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The MIC is part, but another dimension is emanating from a faction that has been kicked out and barred from Russia. Their members are more anti Putin than anti Russian per se.

After the break up of the Soviet Union there was a nasty struggle ensued by different groups to get control of the commanding heights of the economic.

Eventually several people emerged who got control of premium assets for peanuts. These were the oligarchs and quite a number of them had close links with George Soros.

However there was still jealousy and fighting among the oligarchs because it was perceived that those who were close to the then leader of Russia, Yeltsin, were in the driving seat. This was notably so for Boris Berezovsky who had Yeltsin eating out of his hand.

The Berezovsky group encouraged Yeltsin to step down in favor of a safe hand--Putin.

Putin did not turned out to be safe. He forced them to pay reasonable tax and banned them from politics. Several oligarchs fled the country...Gudinsky went to Israel, Berezovsky went England, others end up in France and America.

However what created the most venom against Putin was when the Oligarch, Mikhail Khadorkovsky, was given a prison term. He was the darling of Bloomberg, Soros and other western interest who wanted more than a piece of the Russian pie, especially oil and gas.

The exiled oligarchs and their friends have great influence in the British government--they have bought it.

Their problem in America was Barack Obama
...he is wary of them trying to push him into an active hostile mode.
The anti Putin/Russia, pro war rant coming daily from Newsweek and sometimes CNN are from them. They tried to go around Obama but failed, but now they are looking to Clinton.


Mikhail Khodorkovsky: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Khodorkovsky
The money trail just about always gives insight as to what's going on.

It appears that a Hillary victory may greatly benefit the foundation.
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Old 11-05-2016, 12:22 PM
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Virtually everything you hear about Russia in this country is a lie put out by our government in order to create the illusion that they are Boogeymen, so that they have an excuse to feed the insatiable monster that is our own Military Industrial Complex.
And every piece of glowing praise heaped upon Putin comes from a wannabe dictator who wants to run things as Putin does.

It's not a lie that Putin was director of the KGB.

It's not a lie that a position above the Russian presidency was magically created specifically for Putin after he lost an election.

It's not a lie that the Russian government is far more oligarchical and oppressive than our own.

It's not a lie that the Russian government has an iron grip on the countries media.

It's not a lie that large numbers of Russians STILL come here to escape the way their government does things under Putin.

At the risk of sounding like an idiot Trump supporter;

If you love Russia so much, why don't you move there?
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