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Unfortunately for this argument that is not my position. I thoroughly believe the Europe should handle this to the largest extent possible. It's their guys running around like excited ants.
And, if Obama agrees to do so, it is his doing and not the rights.
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03-03-2011, 12:36 PM
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Unfortunately for this argument that is not my position. I thoroughly believe the Europe should handle this to the largest extent possible. It's their guys running around like excited ants.
And, if Obama agrees to do so, it is his doing and not the rights.
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Waiting for the EU to reach a common position ie head out of arse is pointless so I guess you mean mainly the UK. Last time we did this was in the second Iraq war and the French are still grumbling. You maybe don't see it from your side of the pond, but the only way the EU unites Europe is to act as a brake on just about everything.
The problem is that the more we huff and puff about what we could do, and then do nothing, the less credible we become. What's the tripwire? Using his airforce against his own people? It's reported that he's already doing this.
UK newspapers claim Gaddafi has chemical and biological weapons. If he has and if he uses them, do we do anything, or is it another problem 'those Arabs' should sort out for themselves?
It would not surprise me one bit if instead of us helping to overthrow him, our governments first get our own people out to keep things stable, then very quietly prop him up.
It reminds me of the Hungarian uprising in the 1950's. They were lead to believe that NATO would help defend them if they declared independence, so that's what they did. Right up to the last when Russian troops had overrun almost all the country, what was left of their government still believed we would help. They made shortwave broadcasts telling "their allies" the locations of airfields they were defending to give time for our troops to arrive.
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03-03-2011, 12:41 PM
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Americas role in Libya is very straight forward. watch it on the news every night and see what happens.
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03-03-2011, 01:22 PM
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Let Italy sort it out. Libya was an Italian colony, and that's where the refugees from North Africa are heading. Berlusconi may have to button his fly first though.
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03-03-2011, 03:02 PM
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Gas here, $3.35/gl, up appreciably.
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Over 4 dollars here thank you very much.
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03-03-2011, 03:49 PM
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Over 4 dollars here thank you very much.
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same here, any excuse
energy prices should be government regulated
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03-03-2011, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by piece-itpete
Unfortunately for this argument that is not my position. I thoroughly believe the Europe should handle this to the largest extent possible. It's their guys running around like excited ants.
And, if Obama agrees to do so, it is his doing and not the rights.
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BAM!!!
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03-04-2011, 09:57 AM
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Thank you vedda much
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Originally Posted by Combwork
Waiting for the EU to reach a common position ie head out of arse is pointless so I guess you mean mainly the UK. Last time we did this was in the second Iraq war and the French are still grumbling. You maybe don't see it from your side of the pond, but the only way the EU unites Europe is to act as a brake on just about everything.
The problem is that the more we huff and puff about what we could do, and then do nothing, the less credible we become. What's the tripwire? Using his airforce against his own people? It's reported that he's already doing this.
UK newspapers claim Gaddafi has chemical and biological weapons. If he has and if he uses them, do we do anything, or is it another problem 'those Arabs' should sort out for themselves?
It would not surprise me one bit if instead of us helping to overthrow him, our governments first get our own people out to keep things stable, then very quietly prop him up.
It reminds me of the Hungarian uprising in the 1950's. They were lead to believe that NATO would help defend them if they declared independence, so that's what they did. Right up to the last when Russian troops had overrun almost all the country, what was left of their government still believed we would help. They made shortwave broadcasts telling "their allies" the locations of airfields they were defending to give time for our troops to arrive.
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LOL!
My Gran believed very much the same thing about the EU. I often don't think about GB with the EU and probably should. I agree that huffing and puffing is counterproductive, but apart from GB I see the EU as a paper tiger anyway. Which I think is a shame.
I think though it might make him think twice about his wmd. I hope so.
We did that again (Hungary example) to the Iraqis at the end of the 1st gulf war.
Pete
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03-04-2011, 09:58 AM
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And gas here is up to $3.55. Another 20 cents, and fast.
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03-04-2011, 11:38 AM
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And gas here is up to $3.55. Another 20 cents, and fast.
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What is the rationale for it? That's what I'm trying to figure out. On CNBC Thursday morning, they were claiming we are in a "glut", and that the turmoil in Libya, Tunisia and Egypt has little to do with it, as we don't import much oil from any of those countries anyways. Fear of war in the region, perhaps? I guess. But, if you recall "experts" were claiming $5 a gallon gas before these uprisings occurred. "Seasonal" rise? This much, this fast in a "glut"?
I smell a rat. A big, oily one, with thick hide and a tiny brain who feels it's too soon for the economy to recover.
Dave
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