GM once again on top.

[BlueStreak]

To bad the Republicans couldn't hire Mitt Romney to scuttle the US Auto industry and lay all of these folks off. Such a terrible disaster as this could have been avoided.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/08/...l-car-company/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...orld-cars.html

Yes, it's partly due to Toyotas troubles and so on.

But, I'll take this over the alternative slash and burn tactics of the Democracy haters.

Dave

[Rex E.]

Are all of these American sales and American jobs? Just curious as GM was in China's hip pocket even before the collapse and the Gov't take over

[djv8ga]

LOL...you should buy a Volt.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

Are all of these American sales and American jobs? Just curious as GM was in China's hip pocket even before the collapse and the Gov't take over

I searched for current figures and turned up nothing recent. But, I fail to see how this could be perceived as anything but good, regardless. The alternative would have been what? Even higher unemployment, the sound of crickets in GM plants worldwide?

Dave

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I searched for current figures and turned up nothing recent. But, I fail to see how this could be perceived as anything but good, regardless. The alternative would have been what? Even higher unemployment, the sound of crickets in GM plants worldwide?

Dave

Stay on the defense for no good reason Dave. I might have to actually go on the offense if this is gonna be the case.

It matters as if most of the sales are in China then it's won't be doing this country a lot of good.

I was just conversing with several international business men at the CES show today and learned what skilled labor rates in China now are. If GM and the Gov't continue to throw everything they can into China then you'll be hearing those chirps far sooner than you expect.

You could be comforted in knowing there is a skilled laborer (notice the worked SKILLED as in a Journeyman) in China with all of your knowledge or more willing to do your job for ......wait for it......$.62 an hour. Ya think the U.S. broom pusher and impact wrench operator at the GM plan is gonna be ready to compete? Will the UAW be willing to give up some of the silly shit they have been pulling (ie 95% pay for folks laid off) to compete and keep that work here as you know the CEO and even the Gov't (even Obama) are more than willing to send those jobs to China.

[d-ray657]

Hold it. If a large portion of GM's sales are in China that is a bad thing? I thought that exports were good for the economy.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Hold it. If a large portion of GM's sales are in China that is a bad thing? I thought that exports were good for the economy.

Regards,

D-Ray

Nope, highly tariffed imports are good for the economy

Plus, they ain't exports. They are built there with prolly little to no U.S. built parts.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

Stay on the defense for no good reason Dave. I might have to actually go on the offense if this is gonna be the case.

It matters as if most of the sales are in China then it's won't be doing this country a lot of good.

I was just conversing with several international business men at the CES show today and learned what skilled labor rates in China now are. If GM and the Gov't continue to throw everything they can into China then you'll be hearing those chirps far sooner than you expect.

You could be comforted in knowing there is a skilled laborer (notice the worked SKILLED as in a Journeyman) in China with all of your knowledge or more willing to do your job for ......wait for it......$.62 an hour. Ya think the U.S. broom pusher and impact wrench operator at the GM plan is gonna be ready to compete? Will the UAW be willing to give up some of the silly shit they have been pulling (ie 95% pay for folks laid off) to compete and keep that work here as you know the CEO and even the Gov't (even Obama) are more than willing to send those jons to China.

In the bolded;

So, what am I supposed to do about that, Rex? Offer to do the work for free in the name of "fair market competition"?

That's insane.

At that rate NONE of us can compete. Union, or not. Me, you or anyone else in this country. Not at $40 an hour, not at $1 an hour.

Even if it means nothing else other than the profits make their way into this country, I'll take it. It's something.

And, I realize it isn't much but FWIW, I do know that the GM plant back home has hired some people recently, and there was a guy from Michigan on AK just the other day, happy as can be, because he was hired on at "....a major auto manufacturer."

You're accusing me of refusing to see what you perceive as being the truth. And I accuse you of refusing to even try to be the least bit positive. We're all supposed to just give up and surrender whatever corporate leaders demand...Is that it? Have you considered where that road might lead? I have, and I find nothing more depressing. What good is a job not worth having? You and Hatchet Mitt can shove that bright and sunny future right up your poop chutes.

Seriously.

Dave

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

In the bolded;

So, what am I supposed to do about that, Rex? Offer to do the work for free in the name of "fair market competition"?

That's insane.

At that rate NONE of us can compete. Union, or not. Me, you or anyone else in this country. Not at $40 an hour, not at $1 an hour.

Even if it means nothing else other than the profits make their way into this country, I'll take it. It's something.

And, I realize it isn't much but FWIW, I do know that the GM plant back home has hired some people recently, and there was a guy from Michigan on AK just the other day, happy as can be, because he was hired on at "....a major auto manufacturer."

You're accusing me of refusing to see what you perceive as being the truth. And I accuse you of refusing to even try to be positive. We're all supposed to just give up and surrender whatever corporate leaders demand...Is that it?

Have you considered where that road might lead? I have, and I find nothing more depressing. What good is a job not worth having?

Dave

You seen me rail enough against corporations and the like to know better. It's nice to see you be positive and it's is great to hear folks are going back to work in MI and other places.

My point is you only see it as one sided. Obama and the rest of the "left" are just as happy to send that money and the jobs to China as any republican.

You are 100% in support of the very same kind of people you are against. For being so "enlightened" you seem to fail to see that Obama, Romney, left, right are all the same when it comes down to keeping their cash but you still seem to want to try to convince me that Oby and his crew are saints looking out for me. I've never tried to convince you of that of the right.

So we agree that America needs jobs and work at living wages. We just disagree that your group of "saints" are in it for us.

What is the answer, I'm just a dumb kid from rural Missouri so I ain't got it but I damn sure know that more of the same is not it.

So, what is your answer? Keep up with the same or hope for change this time around?

Since I only have two options (well, three if I do not vote) then I say we gave a new guy the chance last time and got the same so it's time for another new guy to see where we go.

[BlueStreak]

SAINTS? Where TF did you get the idea that I see anyone as a saint?

Okay, so the Dems fail to represent "the workin' man" as they used to claim. I see that.

So, I turn to voting for the people who seem revel in laying off and screwing anyone they regard as being overcompensated? (Except themselves, of course.) Then, don't even want to pony up for unemployment when it all goes down?

No thanks. I'll leave that sort of sado-masochism to the likes of you.

Dave