Who helped Oswald?

[HatchetJack]

I read that Oswald was not a good shot barely passing in the military. Using
an old army surplus rifle with probably a cheap scope aiming at a moving
target would be tough for a sniper in that situation. I think he blasted
several shots and maybe hit him once or twice in the back or shoulder.
Ruby had to be involved somehow other than revenge against a stranger
killing the president.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

I read that Oswald was not a good shot barely passing in the military. Using
an old army surplus rifle with probably a cheap scope aiming at a moving
target would be tough for a sniper in that situation. I think he blasted
several shots and maybe hit him once or twice in the back or shoulder.
Ruby had to be involved somehow other than revenge against a stranger
killing the president.

That was an easy shot for someone with his ability. This has been spoken to by all main stream entities.

[HatchetJack]

It may have been as I dont know the distance or angle. I can easily hit a
cantelope at 100 yards with my rifle but its much better equipment than
he had and I have probably shot more than he ever did. I have also
deer hunted for 35 years and as big as deer are, they seem really small
when moving and nerves come into play. I guess my point was that he
seemed really stupid, had lived in Russia for a time and may have had ties
to Cuba. That and the head shot seemed to have come from the front right
and his head went back with the impact and towards Mrs Kennedy.

[Sandy G]

I guess everybody was "All Tore Up", too, as we say down here, & I don't know what the procedures were for handling a crime scene in antebellum 1963, but it does look like the Lincoln should NOT have been cleaned up immediately at Parkland like it was.. Kennedy's brain should have been saved...Connoly's suit-And I think JFK's, as well, should NOT have been cleaned...I think every cop in Dallas managed to handle the rifle at the Book Depository...As well as the boxes that the "Sniper's Nest" was made from...And the spent shell casings...Things must have been VERY lax in the Big D back then....Why was Ruby-or ANY non-policeman, for that matter-let into the area where Oswald was to be transfered ? Maybe all this stuff was just SOP back in those innocent days, but now, to our 2009 skeptical eyes, it kinda looks like the Keystone Kops...Of course, nobody back then even dreamed of something called DNA matching, I doubt if there were 100 people outside of academia who even KNEW what a "DNA" was, or ever guessed it could one day be used to solve crimes...

[finnbow]

Read a bit about the New Orleans mafia boss Carlos Marcello and his possible involvement. I have a hard time buying into Jack Ruby shooting Oswald out of some sort of patriotic zeal.

[HatchetJack]

After reviewing the re-examination of Jack Ruby's lie detector test, it seems
he may have lied when asked if he assisted Oswald in the assasination.
He had the highest rise in blood pressure on that question over all the
others asked him during testing. There were also irregularities when asked
if he was a member of the Communist party.

[BlueStreak]

I'm sorry, Fellas but I really believe JFK was killed by our own. Sure, the Communists had motive, certainly Castro more specifically. But there were some pretty powerfull people right here in this country who thought JFK was a Communist. There were also plenty of people who stood to make billions off of the war. So, when he began waffling on Vietnam, and commented that U.S. involvement in S.E. Asia might be a "mistake"................Pop, pop, pop,---Hello LBJ. Hello massive troop deployments.

No one has stepped forward? Have you ever seen the documentary Robert McNamara made a few years back?

As the old saying goes---"Follow the money trail." Who stood to gain the most from a long protracted war in Vietnam? Castro? Nope. Kruschev? Nope. U.S. Millitary contractors? Uh..........................

When it comes to this issue, I think most Americans just don't want to think the unthinkable. I can understand that. I think it's naive. But I understand.

I think this is exactly what Eisenhower tried to warn us about.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Yeah, there is no doubt Castro would have wanted him dead. JFK did have a hit out on him, and then the was the Bay of Pigs escapade (Attempted coup.) and of course the October Missle Crisis, true dat. I can certainly see where you're comin' from on this TD.

But, the question that comes to my mind is;
If it was Castro, then why was no action taken against Cuba? Other than the stupid cigar embargo, that is?
I mean, I would think murdering our President would be grounds to go to war, wouldn't you? I dunno, I kinda think the whole "It was Oswald, he's a Commie loser working alone." conclusion was just too quick and dirty. As if someone told the Warren Commission, "Pin it on Oswald, then go away. If you know what's good for you." Why didn't the investigation go beyond that point? I would think if it was Castro, our government would have been itching to call him out? This is why I tend to think it was an inside job. I don't see that there would have been any reason to cover up Castros guilt. But if it was someone powerful, infuential, an American? Oh yeah.

Anyhow. I wouldn't totally discount your theory, it's a reasonable one.
But I just don't see it.

Dave

[HatchetJack]

I think you are correct blue. In fact Ruby may have been the one shooting
from the front or grassy knoll and once Osawld was captured, he had to
take him out or risk being exposed. Maybe the Mobb was in the middle
because Ruby and Oswald both claimed to be patsies. If Ruby was exposed
and Oswald talked about the Mobb, then Ruby's family was in danger which
is what he told the Warren commision he feared would happen. He wanted
to be taken out of Dallas and into Washington for protection. Anyway,
the Military contractors did have the most to gain and did the Ruskies not
supply the North Vietnamese? so they stood to gain also. Anyway, all these
wars are really about money and power anyway. Every war we ever fought
we were supposedly liberating someone whether it be white settlers, slaves
french, south koreans, south vietnamese, iraqies, afhgans, who did I miss?

[BlueStreak]

Jack Kennedy had LOTS of enemies my friends. He was popular with the people. But the "powers that be" in 1963? Hoffa? The Mafia? The Communist Bloc? The Klan? The list goes on and on. That guy and his brothers went around stomping on toes like nobodies business.

But I do think the scenario I've presented is the most believeable.

Just my opinion.

Dave