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03-10-2017, 11:09 AM
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That's a sorry ass group, all of whom whom stand to gain financially from TrumpCare. Association of Mature American Citizens??? WTF???
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Yeah, it reads like a list of rightwing front groups and think tanks. ALEC? Yeah, that's a Republican think tank and probably where the GOP proposal was formulated......Gee, I wonder why they support the GOP plan?
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03-10-2017, 11:14 AM
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The bottom line is that the Republican plan is a return to for-profit-first business as usual health care under the idea that health care is a commodity and not a right.
The Republican party is the "death panel" here. No money? Fuck you, go die in the gutter.
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03-10-2017, 12:03 PM
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So what? What you have is a very small group of people trying to screw over the majority for vast profit. I realize in your america this is a good and proper thing to do, but anyone with a moral center would see a problem with it.
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Originally Posted by Pio1980
The bottom line is that the Republican plan is a return to for-profit-first business as usual health care under the idea that health care is a commodity and not a right.
The Republican party is the "death panel" here. No money? Fuck you, go die in the gutter.
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And the Ama and the insurance industry didn't favor the ACA because they thought it would be profitable? LOL!
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03-10-2017, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueStreak
Yeah, it reads like a list of rightwing front groups and think tanks. ALEC? Yeah, that's a Republican think tank and probably where the GOP proposal was formulated......Gee, I wonder why they support the GOP plan?
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Yawn. Already addressed this.
Not sure why this matters anyway. You guys have apparently forgotten - likely on purpose - that Dems didn't care much for the ACA early on. The Blue Dogs didn't like it. In the Senate, the Dems had to go buy votes to pass it. Remeber Ben Nelson's Cornhusker kickback? Mary Landreu's Louisiana Purchase? Remember how Po'd the far left was - including folks on this forum - that the ACA fell short of universal healthcare?
Hell, most of you are STILL pissed about that!
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03-10-2017, 12:16 PM
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The Republican proposal to replace the Affordable Care Act would strip away what advocates say is essential coverage for drug addiction treatment as the number of people dying from opiate overdoses is skyrocketing nationwide.
Beginning in 2020, the plan would eliminate an Affordable Care Act requirement that Medicaid cover basic mental-health and addiction services in states that expanded it, allowing them to decide whether to include those benefits in Medicaid plans.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ion-americans/
More compassionate conservatism.
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03-10-2017, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by whell
Yawn. Already addressed this.
Not sure why this matters anyway. You guys have apparently forgotten - likely on purpose - that Dems didn't care much for the ACA early on. The Blue Dogs didn't like it. In the Senate, the Dems had to go buy votes to pass it. Remeber Ben Nelson's Cornhusker kickback? Mary Landreu's Louisiana Purchase? Remember how Po'd the far left was - including folks on this forum - that the ACA fell short of universal healthcare?
Hell, most of you are STILL pissed about that!
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Yeah, many wanted single payer and rightfully so. The bad about that is that Obama was still trying to reach out building on a GOP idea, what the ACA actually is/was. Now the fascists in power are driving the bus off a cliff. The same thing as they are doing with everything else in the USA too.
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03-10-2017, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by finnbow
The Republican proposal to replace the Affordable Care Act would strip away what advocates say is essential coverage for drug addiction treatment as the number of people dying from opiate overdoses is skyrocketing nationwide.
Beginning in 2020, the plan would eliminate an Affordable Care Act requirement that Medicaid cover basic mental-health and addiction services in states that expanded it, allowing them to decide whether to include those benefits in Medicaid plans.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ion-americans/
More compassionate conservatism.
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Former CBO Director: It's A Good Start
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.75cf42cd7637
The ACA dictated insurance choices to individuals and families with its bronze, silver, gold and other levels. It required that they shop in government-run exchanges to get subsidies, and it levied a fee on those who were uninsured. The AHCA places trust in the decisions of individuals and families by making greater use of health savings accounts (which hone the market incentives for higher-value care) and respecting their ability to follow incentives to be continuously insured. Its refundable tax credit will be available to all low- to moderate-income individuals and will tend to equalize the tax treatment of employer and individual insurance.
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03-10-2017, 12:51 PM
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AARP, the Medical Hospital Association, the AMA, the American Nursing Association, and all 150+ hospital Missouri Hospitals Association oppose this proposal. Never knew there were that many liberals! Especially AARP. Those damn bluehairs, wanting medical care! Who do they think they are!
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03-10-2017, 01:02 PM
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Trump said this during his campaign.
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“I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now. … The government’s gonna pay for it. But we’re going to save so much money on the other side. But for the most it’s going to be a private plan, and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies, and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything.”
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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign...rumps-promises
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03-10-2017, 01:20 PM
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Location: Behind the Orange Curtain in California
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Originally Posted by whell
Former CBO Director: It's A Good Start
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.75cf42cd7637
The ACA dictated insurance choices to individuals and families with its bronze, silver, gold and other levels. It required that they shop in government-run exchanges to get subsidies, and it levied a fee on those who were uninsured. The AHCA places trust in the decisions of individuals and families by making greater use of health savings accounts (which hone the market incentives for higher-value care) and respecting their ability to follow incentives to be continuously insured. Its refundable tax credit will be available to all low- to moderate-income individuals and will tend to equalize the tax treatment of employer and individual insurance.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Action_Network
Hardly a unbiased source.
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