Hamas Attack in Israel

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Zeke

And expansionist Zionists?

This thread is about Gaza. What expansionism in Gaza? There haven't been Jew settlers in Gaza for close to 20 years. Gazans got their State in 2005. The terrorism never stopped. And there was no joint Israel/Egypt blockade until after the people of Gaza made terrorists their government in 2007.

As far as the West Bank is concerned...the West Bank was not a Palestinian state in 1967. It was land that had been occupied, and then annexed by the Jordanians in 1950. In 1967 the West Bank was Jordan, it was not Palestine, and Jordan was never going to allow it to become a Palestinian State. Were there terrorist attacks committed on Jordanians in the West Bank between 1950 and 1967 by angry Palestinians who's land had been stolen? No...there were not. Why not? No Jews to kill.* Palestinians in the West Bank were offered Jordanian citizenship after the 1950 occupation. Just as Palestinians in the West Bank were offered Israeli citizenship after the 1967 war. Some Palestinians accepted Jordan's offer of citizenship. Very few Palestinians who remained in the West Bank after the 1967 war and who valued their survival, accepted Israel's offer of citizenship.

So...when Jordan joined in on the war against the sovereign state of Israel, the IDF kicked their ass, took over the West Bank, and promised Israeli Jews that no rocket, mortar or land attacks would be able to be made on them from the middle of their country, ever.

If I was an Israeli Jew and the Knesset decided to hand over the West Bank to the Islamic Jihad, Fata, the PLO or any other pack of terrorists, my head would burst into flames.

That's what I think about zionists.

And come on Zeke...how's about you express your true feelings about all this...they're not zionists they're zionazis. It's not Israel, it's ApartheidIsrael. It's not the defense of Jewish lives, it's Muslim genocide. The only people in the region who have genocide on their minds are the Islamofascist terrorists. Have the stones to show us that your inside matches your outside.


*Just like there were no terrorist attacks on Egyptians after Egypt occupied and annexed Gaza in 1948. Gaza was Egypt in 1967 it was not Palestine. It became a Palestinian State in 2005 when all Jews were moved out of their settlements. The historic Jewish community of Gaza has been ethnically cleansed, their heritage and places of worship, some remarkable ornate synagogues, and any Jewish cemeteries have been desicrated, destroyed and long forgotten.

[Rajoo]

India bars protests that support the Palestinians. Analysts say a pro-Israel shift helps at home

The accompanying picture will help explain why, two wannabe fascist dictators side by side with democracy in their way. Just for perspective, my first Indian passport was not valid for travel to Israel. Always thought that was odd and was perhaps because India needed to keep the Arabs appeased due to the large number of Indians guest working in Gulf countries.

Have we come a long way or what? The headline is misleading since the ban is only for majority Muslim Kashmir, always a tinderbox.

SRINAGAR, India (AP) — From Western capitals to Muslim states, protest rallies over the Israel-Hamas war have made headlines. But one place known for its vocal pro-Palestinian stance has been conspicuously quiet: Indian-controlled Kashmir.

Indian authorities have barred any solidarity protest in Muslim-majority Kashmir and asked Muslim preachers not to mention the conflict in their sermons, residents and religious leaders told The Associated Press.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...me/ar-AA1jznlE

[finnbow]

Here's a very insightful op-ed piece from Tom Friedman reporting from Israel.

https://t.co/9a3N7m8zL3

As for Ike's contention that Gaza and the West Bank have nothing to do with each other, Friedman demolishes this uninformed naivete.

Biden cannot help Israel build a coalition of U.S., European and moderate Arab partners to defeat Hamas if Netanyahu’s message to the world remains, in effect: “Help us defeat Hamas in Gaza while we work to expand settlements, annex the West Bank and build a Jewish supremacist state there.”...

I was traveling around the West Bank on Tuesday when I heard that Netanyahu had just told ABC News that Israel plans to retain “overall security responsibility” in Gaza “for an indefinite period” after its war with Hamas.

Really? Consider this context: “According to Israel’s official Central Bureau of Statistics, at the end of 2021, 9.449 million people live in Israel (including Israelis in West Bank settlements), the Times of Israel reported last year. “Of those, 6.982 million (74 percent) are Jewish, 1.99 million (21 percent) are Arab, and 472,000 (5 percent) are neither. The Palestinian Bureau of Statistics puts the West Bank Palestinian population at a little over three million and the Gaza population at just over two million.”

So Netanyahu is saying that seven million Jews are going to indefinitely control the lives of five million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza — while offering them no political horizon, nothing, by way of statehood one day on any demilitarized conditions.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I was sort of asking another poster, who thinks anyone else's opinion can be dismissed because it's an opinion.

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Don, is there a philosophical heading/description for this?

Nihilism. Truth and meaning do not exist. There is no ground for saying anything is good or bad. Of course, real nihilism leaves one with no reason to be angry or upset about anything, so it follows that few nihilists are real nihilists.

[Rajoo]

The root of Palestinian problems in Israel, the illegal legalized settlements.

Violence by Israeli settlers, long aimed at depopulating rural Palestinian parts of the occupied West Bank, had grown common in the months since Prime Minister President Benjamin Netanyahu returned to power in late December — at the head of a coalition that included far-right settler activists who have been convicted of anti-Arab incitement and have advocated for the annexation of the West Bank.

The current destruction of Gaza with the stated objective of eradicating Hamas will only make matters worse. Announced just now that Israel will pause the fighting for four hours every evening.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...lers-violence/

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

The root of Palestinian problems in Israel, the illegal legalized settlements.

Precisely. When you legalize illegality? You get Hamas.

When Ike realizes this? He might wake up. Hamas didn't attack in a vacuum, neither did Osama. Does that make it right? Only to them.

But it was predictable and, to many, justifiable. That's just reality.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Precisely. When you legalize illegality? You get Hamas.

When Ike realizes this? He might wake up. Hamas didn't attack in a vacuum, neither did Osama. Does that make it right? Only to them.

But it was predictable and, to many, justifiable. That's just reality.

"Desperate people do desperate things", and the recent Hamas attack on Israel was an act of desperation. Obviously they had no hopes or dreams of conquering Israel, so then why?

They have now lost over 10,000 lives to Israel's 1,400 or so. Does this make sense? To them yes, whatever the merit of their logic is. They may consider this mission accomplished since the world is sympathizing with the Palestinians, not Israel. Israel will probably take more land from the palestinians as revenge and the cycle will continue.

If Bush II and Cheney were still in the WH, the US forces will be doing their shock and awe act on Teheran.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

If Bush II and Cheney were still in the WH, the US forces will be doing their shock and awe act on Teheran.

Yet another nation that is appropriately mad at the United States dating back to the Shah.

Am I pro Iran? Of course not. Do I understand why they hate us?

Yes.

From WWII throughout my childhood, we manipulated their nation.

[Pio1980]

Also, remember that Osama Ben Laden's motivation was foreign infidel combat boots stationed in Saudi sand, immensely unpopular with the fundamentalist element.
Another contract with unanticipated consequences.

[Chicks]

After Hamas attack, most Israelis want Netanyahu to resign, according to poll
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/11/12117...hamas-war-gaza

He's as corrupt as Donny.