Militarists for Peace!

[donquixote99]

Trumps goals are different than Adolph's, and his methods not nearly as clever and effective, fortunately. But there are of course similarities in a number of basic values, and methods to a point.

My OP was about basic similarities in personality between Trump and what was noted of Kaiser Bill as a child. The main point is that thinking such personalities are likely to be good at preventing big wars is, on the evidence, misguided.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Trumps goals are different than Adolph's, and his methods not nearly as clever and effective, fortunately. But there are of course similarities in a number of basic values, and methods to a point.

My OP was about basic similarities in personality between Trump and what was noted of Kaiser Bill as a child. The main point is that thinking such personalities are likely to be good at preventing big wars is, on the evidence, misguided.

The main point from the OP is that such personalities lead to big wars.

"Wilhem's character would later be seen as a major causeof WW1.

Trumps personality deficiencies and militarism seem to present a grave danger of history repeating, except the death toll could be in the billions this time, as opposed to WW1's millions."


Worse:
"It's ironic that some still repeat the fantasy that he was the 'peace candidate' compared to war-mongering Hillary."

The fact is: Trump was the peace candidate. Every time he reach out to the other major nuclear entity he was hammered for doing so.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

The main point from the OP is that such personalities lead to big wars.

"Wilhem's character would later be seen as a major causeof WW1.

Trumps personality deficiencies and militarism seem to present a grave danger of history repeating, except the death toll could be in the billions this time, as opposed to WW1's millions."


Worse:
"It's ironic that some still repeat the fantasy that he was the 'peace candidate' compared to war-mongering Hillary."

The fact is: Trump was the peace candidate. Every time he reach out to the other major nuclear entity he was hammered for doing so.

You seem to be suggesting that Trump lacks notable personality deficiencies?

You see him, perchance, as an admirable fellow whose good intentions have been frustrated by cruel, malicious back-stabbing domestic enemies? That is, as he see himself?

That other major nuclear entity rather poisoned the well of amity with its 2016 election interference. Trump's doubtless saintly peace efforts were spoiled by his conduct with regard to same. Maybe you could trust him, but I assure you many others never will.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

The main point from the OP is that such personalities lead to big wars.

"Wilhem's character would later be seen as a major causeof WW1.

Trumps personality deficiencies and militarism seem to present a grave danger of history repeating, except the death toll could be in the billions this time, as opposed to WW1's millions."


Worse:
"It's ironic that some still repeat the fantasy that he was the 'peace candidate' compared to war-mongering Hillary."

The fact is: Trump was the peace candidate. Every time he reach out to the other major nuclear entity he was hammered for doing so.

What war are you referencing?

[Dondilion]

We want to peg Trump as a sellout to the other major nuclear power and at the same time promote the idea that he would likely lead us in a war with billions of casualties.


This is what happens when we want our villain to be in all the bad checking areas. It leads to bad analysis.

[Pio1980]

He's pretty much a bumbling clueless arrogant nincompoop.
I expect nothing exhibiting any strategic thinking that doesn't inflate his fragile ego or line his pockets from him, much less anything vaguely in the national interest that doesn't coincide with the previously mentioned priorities.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

We want to peg Trump as a sellout to the other major nuclear power and at the same time promote the idea that he would likely lead us in a war with billions of casualties.


This is what happens when we want our villain to be in all the bad checking areas. It leads to bad analysis.

Who is this mythical "we"? You and your friends in Little Odessa?

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Who is this mythical "we"? You and your friends in Little Odessa?

Time for you to present something substantive to the discussion.


Is Trump a warmonger, who will likely engender a war with billions of casualties or is Trump a sellout a quisling, an appeaser even?

What do you (no mythical) say?

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

He's pretty much a bumbling clueless arrogant nincompoop.
I expect nothing exhibiting any strategic thinking that doesn't inflate his fragile ego or line his pockets from him, much less anything vaguely in the national interest that doesn't coincide with the previously mentioned priorities.

I understand your utter frustration with this guy. Plus you are saying he is essentially a hustler...everthing leads in that direction...no need for complex or possibly bad analysis.
Fair enough.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by nailer

What war are you referencing?

Peace candidate in relation to a possible nuclear conflagration. Notice the use of 'billions'.