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11-06-2016, 10:14 AM
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Jigsawed
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Wasn't Medvedev Putin's man?
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Yes, he owes his rise to Putin.
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11-06-2016, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by nailer
Wasn't Medvedev Putin's man?
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Protegé, yes.
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11-06-2016, 10:59 AM
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Jigsawed
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Originally Posted by Boreas
Precisely. You gotta admit though that it was a stunt reminiscent of the Politburo at it's most cynical.
And Putin didn't return the favor by letting Medvedev term limit out. It was one term and out for old Dmitry, just long enough for Vladi to "reset".
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My thinking:
Dmitry was too western in his outlook, too western trusting.
Putin is still embittered that the west took advantage of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
Vlad believes that the west ultimate aim is to balkanize Russia. To assist in countering that he is re-introducing religion as a unifying force. Not just any religion, but religion which is tied to Russian history and culture.
The latest is the erection, near the Kremlin, of the huge statue of Prince Vladimir with his cross and sword.
Note also the building of new Orthodox churhes (200 in Moscow), prominence of Patriach Kirill and the officialdom given to Easter celebration.
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11-06-2016, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Dondilion
My thinking:
Dmitry was too western in his outlook, too western trusting.
Putin is still embittered that the west took advantage of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
Vlad believe that the west ultimate aim is to balkanize Russia. To assist in countering that he is re-introducing religion as a unifying force. Not just any religion, but religion which is tied to Russian history and culture.
The latest is the erection, near the Kremlin, of the huge statue of Prince Vladimir with his cross and sword.
Note also the building of new Orthodox churhes (200 in Moscow), prominence of Patriach Kirill and the officialdom given to Easter celebration.
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Agree that he (rightly) believes that the West's intention is the piecemeal dismantling of the RF. I don't know that Medvedev is too trusting of the West, just that he is more willing to engage is directly in much the same way as Lavrov who, apparently does so with Putin's approval.
As for religion, Putin was something of a phenomenon on the KGB and FSB for his open religiosity. Though he is using the Russian Orthodox Church as a unifying and nationalist force, an arm of the state as in Tsarist times, I think his faith is genuine. Kirill, I think, wants a place as a global moral force along the lines of Pope Frank but I doubt he'll succeed.
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11-06-2016, 11:44 AM
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Rational Anarchist
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Originally Posted by Dondilion
My thinking:
Dmitry was too western in his outlook, too western trusting.
Putin is still embittered that the west took advantage of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
Vlad believe that the west ultimate aim is to balkanize Russia. To assist in countering that he is re-introducing religion as a unifying force. Not just any religion, but religion which is tied to Russian history and culture.
The latest is the erection, near the Kremlin, of the huge statue of Prince Vladimir with his cross and sword.
Note also the building of new Orthodox churhes (200 in Moscow), prominence of Patriach Kirill and the officialdom given to Easter celebration.
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A valid Euro goal. Especially from central and eastern European perspectives.
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11-06-2016, 11:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boreas
Precisely. You gotta admit though that it was a stunt reminiscent of the Politburo at it's most cynical.
And Putin didn't return the favor by letting Medvedev term limit out. It was one term and out for old Dmitry, just long enough for Vladi to "reset".
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Okay, so he didn't "lose an election". My bad.
But, then you point out exactly why I think Putin is a dictator; The sitting president appoints him Prime Minister and he then doesn't return the favor by "letting him term limit out" in a fashion reminiscent of the bloody Soviet Politburo.
Thanks.
Oh that's right, I forgot. It was all a big lie, the Soviet government was full of sweethearts who just got a little naughty on occasion.
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11-12-2016, 11:45 PM
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Why Russians watch TV news they don't trust - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37871543
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11-13-2016, 07:46 AM
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Jigsawed
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All over the globe people greatly mistrust news.
As a consequence Realty TV is elevated.
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11-13-2016, 07:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dondilion
All over the globe people greatly mistrust news.
As a consequence Realty TV is elevated.
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Maybe in your world but in my world reality TV is comparable to the National Enquirer. We all know it is scripted and manipulated for the sake of ratings.
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11-13-2016, 08:30 AM
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Hitler had a high approval rate, reinforced with piano wire.
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