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noonereal · #1 08-08-2014, 06:31 PM

thoughts?

donquixote99 · #2 08-08-2014, 06:40 PM

I'm all for helping them hit their limits and begin their inevitable decline. Folks like that just make enemies everywhere. We must be the good friends of the enemies of Isis.

It's even possible we can get the Iraqis to straighten up and fly more right, out of fear of these guys....

noonereal · #3 08-08-2014, 06:44 PM

why on earth are we going in?

why not the un?

why not iran or turkey?

france, england...

i don't think anyone can deny, getting rid of Saddam was a grave mistake.

bobabode · #4 08-08-2014, 06:49 PM

Message from ISIS.

“This is the message of the leader of the faithful,” wrote the leader, known as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, in a message addressed to “America, the defender of the cross.”
“You should know, you defender of the cross, that getting others to fight on your behalf will not do for you in Syria as it will not do for you in Iraq. And soon enough, you will be in direct confrontation - forced to do so - God willing. And the sons of Islam have prepared themselves for this day. So wait and we will be waiting too.” NYTimes

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/09/wo...e-package&_r=0

Oerets · #5 08-08-2014, 07:06 PM

ISIS is big trouble for every modern country. Will be a long bloody mess to cleanup taking years of commitment. To many countries seem to be willing to let someone else take the lead.

History has proven over and over whenever threats like ISIS arise the problem is never nipped in the bud. Only after the it has spread to extreme levels no longer to be ignored, thus causing a maximum of effort to mend.

I see no difference here.

Barney

BlueStreak · #6 08-08-2014, 07:32 PM

Didn't he used to hang with Osiris?

Dave

Pio1980 · #7 08-08-2014, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Didn't he used to hang with Osiris?

Dave

That's what keeps popping up in my mind, weren't they Egyptian, from Bumfuk or somewhere?

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Dondilion · #8 08-08-2014, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by noonereal

why on earth are we going in?

why not the un?

why not iran or turkey?

france, england...

i don't think anyone can deny, getting rid of Saddam was a grave mistake.

We had to go in.

We had a huge humanitarian/PR crisis...Thousands of starving non belligerents including women and children stranded on a mountain
surrounded by the blood thirsty ISIS.

We were depending on the Kurds, but
ISIS over ran the Peshmerga - armed Kurds in the North Iraq - who we had hope would keep them at bay.

Iran...securing Baghdad and no love for "kurdistan".
Turkey...no love for the Kurds or "Kurdistan".
France...has her hands full in Mali.
England...very anxious to get out of Afghanistan.

bobabode · #9 08-08-2014, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by noonereal

thoughts?

War is always a repugnant choice for a peacenik/progressive as I claim to be but we are damned if we do, damned if we don't. I have confidence that this CIC is better suited and of clean hands compared to the neocon cabal who came before.

That said, we and our allies broke Iraq and we are obligated to help the Kurds & the Yazidi people. I'm less sanguine about Maliki and the Shias in the south, they created/emboldened ISIS forces.

icenine · #10 08-08-2014, 08:37 PM

I think we have to get rid of IS.

By the way I heard on the news that if you call them ISIS instead of IS in Mosul you get punished with 70 lashes of the whip.