Blinded by hatred and not doing a good analysis.

[noonereal]

Just heard Morning Joe say this. I thought of this community.

Not a knock, an observation.

[nailer]

Thanks for sharing.

[finnbow]

I think one can dislike Trump as a presidential candidate, just like they may dislike any other candidate, without being blinded my hatred. That said, there's plenty to dislike about Trump for president. Plenty.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I think one can dislike Trump as a presidential candidate, just like they may dislike any other candidate, without being blinded my hatred. That said, there's plenty to dislike about Trump for president. Plenty.

I totally agree.

I would like to see posts here that reflect that.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by noonereal

I totally agree.

I would like to see posts here that reflect that.

How about this - by unapologetically singling out religious and ethnic groups for disdain and exclusion, Trump has espoused the values that we, as a society, had hoped to have left behind. In doing this as the leading candidate of a major political party, he has subjected us to ridicule in the rest of the world. Is that hatred or analysis?

Regards,

D-Ray

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

How about this - by unapologetically singling out religious and ethnic groups for disdain and exclusion, Trump has espoused the values that we, as a society, had hoped to have left behind. In doing this as the leading candidate of a major political party, he has subjected us to ridicule in the rest of the world. Is that hatred or analysis?

Regards,

D-Ray

Better than calling his supporters and those who don't stone him idiots.

Much better.

I do think your interpretation of his banter extreme and your concern "subjected us to ridicule in the rest of the world" lesser concern to me.

Thanks for the comment though. A reasoned conversation can be had.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

How about this - by unapologetically singling out religious and ethnic groups for disdain and exclusion, Trump has espoused the values that we, as a society, had hoped to have left behind. In doing this as the leading candidate of a major political party, he has subjected us to ridicule in the rest of the world. Is that hatred or analysis?

Regards,

D-Ray

Come to think if it, Trump has presented to the world the precisely contrary message to what we presented in 2008. Then, by electing an African-American President, we showed the world tremendous growth in overcoming a history of slavery and racism. Admittedly, the optimism of 2008 gave way to the gritty reality of obstructionism - some of which was based on racial attitudes. And the hope of a transformational presidency wasn't fulfilled. So maybe a Trump presidency wouldn't be Armageddon. The extremes of hope and despair don't always bear out. But a Trump presidency wouldn't be good.

Regards,

D-Ray

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Come to think if it, Trump has presented to the world the precisely contrary message that we presented in 2008. Then, by electing an African-American President, we showed the world tremendous growth in overcoming a history of slavery and racism. Admittedly, the optimism of 2008 gave way to the gritty reality of obstructionism - some of which was based on racial attitudes. And the hope of a transformational presidency wasn't fulfilled. So maybe a Trump presidency wouldn't be Armageddon. The extremes of hope and despair don't always bear out. But a Trump presidency wouldn't be good.

Regards,

D-Ray

nice post

as to Obie, I voted for him twice, 08 and 12. I supported Hill in 08 however in the primary.
That said, and I get and am furious at the GOP for how they adapted an obstructionist platform but Obie holds much of the blame.

He is not a legislator, he is not a diplomat. He has not had a productive presidency. IMO.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by noonereal

Better than calling his supporters and those who don't stone him idiots.

Much better.

I do think your interpretation of his banter extreme and your concern "subjected us to ridicule in the rest of the world" lesser concern to me.

Thanks for the comment though. A reasoned conversation can be had.

I thing the thing that many have against Trump supporters is that the most distasteful positions he takes are the greatest attraction to too many. When he appeals to the base aspects of human nature and succeeds as a result, it does not speak well of his followers. I'm sure there are other things that attract some voters, but they are not sufficient for me to consider him a qualified candidate.

Regards,

D-Ray

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I think one can dislike Trump as a presidential candidate, just like they may dislike any other candidate, without being blinded my hatred. That said, there's plenty to dislike about Trump for president. Plenty.

One can draw the same conclusion with an objective analysis of any of the candidates. I think this will be a "hold your nose" election for most voters.