9/11

[Charles]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Still regret that they stopped research on the cobalt bomb, that would be the way to deal with the middle east.

Well, in the meantime, our politicians are still on the job.

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Chas

[d-ray657]

Presidents Bush and Obama did not seem uncomfortable with each other. They both seemed determined to be part of the events without being the event.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by Charles

I was unaware that Fox claims the terrorists came from Canada.

As I see it, Iraq was attacked for several reasons. We could make a case for it in the beloved UN, we could move our troops out of Saudi Arabia and still maintain a military presence in the Middle East, and to have possession of a base of operations from which we could apply pressure on not only Syria and Iran, but Saudi Arabia and the whole Middle East as well.

The invasion of Iraq was a tactical move in line with our strategic goals.

No doubt it was an overly ambitious plan, and I wish we had tried a different approach, although I'm not sure as to what that may have been. After all, we ARE dealing with the Middle East.

Actually, a strong case can be made that the United States has been pursing the wrong plan, or no plan at all, for years. We learned nothing from the 1973 Oil Embargo, our Free Trade policies have destroyed our manufacturing base, allowing the banks to not only run wild, but rewarding them when they fuck up isn't working so well, and making "friends" at the point of a bayonet never has worked.

But homo sapiens have been fucking up the good life every since the start of time, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

And that is the crux of the matter, we have PEOPLE running things, and people take care of #1 1st.

And then blame the other guy for the screwing they just gave you.

Chas

Yeah, but the reasons you state had nothing to do with the reasons Bush and company told the US and the world they were attacking Iraq. They did a horrible injustice to all of those who died in 9/11 by saying it was done for them.

When was the Last time such a huge lie was to start a war? Hitlers invasion of Poland in 39? I mean, Hitler defending Germany after Polish troops crossed the German border and killed their border patrols?

[piece-itpete]

Bringing the National Socialist party into play for everything degrades intelligent discourse. It also belittles the awful horror of the Third Reich.

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Presidents Bush and Obama did not seem uncomfortable with each other. They both seemed determined to be part of the events without being the event.

Regards,

D-Ray

Isn't it great? I love seeing that, even if they are cursing each other under their breath

Pete

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Bringing the National Socialist party into play for everything degrades intelligent discourse. It also belittles the awful horror of the Third Reich.



Pete

Oh BS. Hitler is not the bogeyman, and I was not using as such. Like any other event in history, there are multiple sides to every discussion and to stifle historical discussion because of a fear of degrading intelligent discourse is then actually degrading the discourse.

The only way to stop horrors like that from happening again is to discuss them and make sure people understood what happened and why.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Bringing the National Socialist party into play for everything degrades intelligent discourse. It also belittles the awful horror of the Third Reich.



Isn't it great? I love seeing that, even if they are cursing each other under their breath

Pete

Well, they are both members of a pretty exclusive club. I can't remember it ever being larger than five members. They have more in common with each other than they do with us. Unfortunately, the both have more in common with the financial elites than they do with any of us as well. I doubt any of us has either the ego or the incredible ambition to play ball at that level.

Regards,

D-Ray

[piece-itpete]

Erik, I agree, but never see a comparision between the Dems and Schickelgruber. I only see the enlightened genteel left bring him up here.

Yeah D, that's some pretty rarified air up there in that tower they live in

Pete

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Erik, I agree, but never see a comparision between the Dems and Schickelgruber. I only see the enlightened genteel left bring him up here.

Yeah D, that's some pretty rarified air up there in that tower they live in

Pete

Don't see the Dems lying to start a war either. Would compare Clinton to Chamberlain tho easily enough.

And Hitler was always Hitler.

[piece-itpete]

Sadly the Clintons knew exactly what Bush knew. I know how much you centrists () hate the Iraqi invasion...

I don't think they deserve the Chamberlain label, as Chamberlain knowingly sold out countries, while Clinton just didn't take Osama seriously enough (Bush made the same mistake).

Pete

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Sadly the Clintons knew exactly what Bush knew. I know how much you centrists () hate the Iraqi invasion...

I don't think they deserve the Chamberlain label, as Chamberlain knowingly sold out countries, while Clinton just didn't take Osama seriously enough (Bush made the same mistake).

Pete

I have no issue with both of them underestimating Osama. That was off the radar for pretty well everyone. No one could have imagined the audacity of the 9/11 attacks.

My issue was with Iraq. If Clinton had some stones, he would have normalized relations with Iraq and made him our boy in the middle east again. Very weak leadership.

Bush and co. However spinning 9/11 to attack a country they had a chip on their shoulder about is criminal, if you ask me.