Rules for Thee, Not for Me

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...224505697.html

[I]The rising crime rate in Los Angeles is a hot-button issue in this year’s race for Los Angeles mayor. And the issue just hit closer to home for one candidate.

Democratic Congresswoman Karen Bass said Saturday that her home was burglarized...

I have owned guns for over 50 years and have 8 of them now and am unabashed supporter of enhanced gun control (FWIW, none are autoloading). Similarly, I enjoy the occasional drink, but don't supported unfettered access to alcohol. I owned a Porsche for 10 years, but support speed limits.

Reasonable limits are the key and the laws concerning gun ownership are unreasonably lax IMO (and I'm a range safety officer at my gun club, an NRA Distinguished Expert in smallbore and taught Rifle & Shotgun Shooting Merit Badge to Boy Scouts for several years).

AFAIK, there aren't any prominent Democrats who oppose private ownership of firearms by responsible adults in the home. In other words, your contrived controversy isn't actually a controversy, but more stupid infotainment from wingnut media that you credulously glom on to.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

AFAIK, there aren't any prominent Democrats who oppose private ownership of firearms by responsible adults in the home. In other words, your contrived controversy isn't actually a controversy, but more stupid infotainment from wingnut media that you credulously glom on to.

Did I say that there were Democrats that want to repeal the 2nd amendment? No.

Does that mean that you're correct and they don't exist? Hell no.

But since you brought it up:

There are any number of folks on the left who have voiced support for repealing the 2nd Amendment. These are the Dems and leftists who write speeches, drive media and help to form a consensus on the left. They also influence legislation.

It used to be that these folks didn't go public about their agenda, they simply pushed for more gun control legislation (the effect of continuing to go back to the legislative well on the federal and state level is playing the long game of watering down 2nd amendment rights until their unenforceable or unrecognizable). Now. they just come right out and tell you that they advocate repeal of the 2nd amendment.

https://newrepublic.com/article/1666...amendment-guns

Here's another one:

https://deadline.com/2022/05/michael...nt-1235033193/

Here's another one:

https://www.thenation.com/article/ar...t-gun-control/

Here's another one (older article but Turley hasn't changed his position on this):

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...nts/463644002/

The article mentions former SCOTUS judge Stevens voiced support for repealing it. Not a Dem, but not exactly a died-in-the-wool conservative either.

Here's another one - a notable Dem who's run for office a couple of times, including a run for US Senate:

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/08...ass-shootings/

Democrats ran in 2020 for a "national gun licensing program" where (for example) a person seeking to purchase a gun would have to submit their fingerprints, and basic background information and complete a certified gun safety course. The FBI would then run a comprehensive background check before issuing a federal gun license that would be renewable every five years.

Nationalizing something makes it easier to politicize. Make the process harder, create a regulatory agency that changes the rules based on fiat or whim, stop issuing certifications to gun safety course providers, etc.

So, you're underinformed comment about this being a contrived controversy is, well, underinformed. But I'm confident you'll continue to disagree.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

Did I say that there were Democrats that want to repeal the 2nd amendment? No.

Does that mean that you're correct and they don't exist? Hell no.

But since you brought it up:

There are any number of folks on the left who have voiced support for repealing the 2nd Amendment. These are the Dems and leftists who write speeches, drive media and help to form a consensus on the left. They also influence legislation.

It used to be that these folks didn't go public about their agenda, they simply pushed for more gun control legislation (the effect of continuing to go back to the legislative well on the federal and state level is playing the long game of watering down 2nd amendment rights until their unenforceable or unrecognizable). Now. they just come right out and tell you that they advocate repeal of the 2nd amendment.

https://newrepublic.com/article/1666...amendment-guns

Here's another one:

https://deadline.com/2022/05/michael...nt-1235033193/

Here's another one:

https://www.thenation.com/article/ar...t-gun-control/

Here's another one (older article but Turley hasn't changed his position on this):

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...nts/463644002/

The article mentions former SCOTUS judge Stevens voiced support for repealing it. Not a Dem, but not exactly a died-in-the-wool conservative either.

Here's another one - a notable Dem who's run for office a couple of times, including a run for US Senate:

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/08...ass-shootings/

Democrats ran in 2020 for a "national gun licensing program" where (for example) a person seeking to purchase a gun would have to submit their fingerprints, and basic background information and complete a certified gun safety course. The FBI would then run a comprehensive background check before issuing a federal gun license that would be renewable every five years.

Nationalizing something makes it easier to politicize. Make the process harder, create a regulatory agency that changes the rules based on fiat or whim, stop issuing certifications to gun safety course providers, etc.

So, you're underinformed comment about this being a contrived controversy is, well, underinformed. But I'm confident you'll continue to disagree.

You sure can gallop with the best of those Gish Gallopers, ol' pardner.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Did I say that there were Democrats that want to repeal the 2nd amendment? No.

Does that mean that you're correct and they don't exist? Hell no.

But since you brought it up...

Thanks for helping to prove my point. Not one of those articles is from a prominent, currently-serving Democratic politician (or any Democratic politician of any stripe). Insignificant pundits spewing shit on op-ed pieces is a completely different animal than politicians sponsoring legislation. Even a MAGAMoron should be able to recognize the difference.

Indeed, Karen Bass's positions on gun control are mainstream and supported by a majority of Americans and are within the scope of the 2nd Amendment. Specifically, she wants to ban large high capacity magazines, repeal "stand your ground" laws and improve background checks.

In summary, your OP is some faux outrage wingnut bullshit that you chose to parrot here as if it's something profound, interesting or relevant. It's not. If I were you, I would be resentful and embarrassed about being so easily manipulated by whatever garbage news sources you frequent.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Thanks for helping to prove my point. Not one of those articles is from a prominent, currently-serving Democratic politician (or any Democratic politician of any stripe). Insignificant pundits spewing shit on op-ed pieces is a completely different animal than politicians sponsoring legislation. Even a MAGAMoron should be able to recognize the difference.

Indeed, Karen Bass's positions on gun control are mainstream and supported by a majority of Americans and are within the scope of the 2nd Amendment. Specifically, she wants to ban large high capacity magazines, repeal "stand your ground" laws and improve background checks.

In summary, your OP is some faux outrage wingnut bullshit that you chose to parrot here as if it's something profound, interesting or relevant. It's not. If I were you, I would be resentful and embarrassed about being so easily manipulated by whatever garbage news sources you frequent.

You didn't specify "currently serving" in your post, but thanks for changing the rules while simultaneously ducking the fact that there are plenty of Dems who'd like to dump the 2nd Amendment.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

You didn't specify "currently serving" in your post, but thanks for changing the rules while simultaneously ducking the fact that there are plenty of Dems who'd like to dump the 2nd Amendment.

When I say prominent Democrat, I mean a Democratic politician with significant sway on the legislative process. I'm not talking about op-ed writers for The Nation. Jeez. Are you really that dimwitted?

Give me the name of some influential national Democratic politicians who want to dump the 2nd Amendment. Biden, the leader of the party, said emphatically that he, a gun owner himself, doesn't believe in that. More fake news from you.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by finnbow

When I say prominent Democrat, I mean a Democratic politician with significant sway on the legislative process. I'm not talking about op-ed writers for The Nation. Jeez. Are you really that dimwitted?

Give me the name of some influential national Democratic politicians who want to dump the 2nd Amendment. Biden, the leader of the party, said emphatically that he, a gun owner himself, doesn't believe in that. More fake news from you.

Please allow me to interject. I don't believe that Whell is an idiot, his aim here seems to be to elicit adverse reaction and finds topics and links to incite the PC group (MAGA morons are exempt) on topics that's not even worth discussing let alone arguing. Some of his posts are based on outright lies.

His secondary aim is to promote MAGA for whatever reason and I have no idea why, since I expect an intelligent educated person to know better or at least anticipate the damage from these conspiracy theories to our democracy.

Perhaps Whell is being blackmailed like Lady Lindsey.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

When I say prominent Democrat, I mean a Democratic politician with significant sway on the legislative process. I'm not talking about op-ed writers for The Nation. Jeez. Are you really that dimwitted?

Give me the name of some influential national Democratic politicians who want to dump the 2nd Amendment. Biden, the leader of the party, said emphatically that he, a gun owner himself, doesn't believe in that. More fake news from you.

See post 33, and you can start with the name Biden and go from there. But just for fun, here are some more names.

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/11/73165...e-gun-industry

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

See post 33, and you can start with the name Biden and go from there. But just for fun, here are some more names.

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/11/73165...e-gun-industry

That has exactly nothing to do with repealing the Second Amendment. It's about restoring citizens' rights to seek redress in courts of law after the GOP passed a law in 2005 providing the gun industry with a level of civil immunity not enjoyed by other industries. What's more American than that?

Don't you get tired of being made to look like a fool?