When Obama came to visit...

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

The fallacious interpretation of the 2nd amendment that justifies armed insurrection is obviously an erroneous recipe for catastrophic failure.

Fallacious interpretation ? Hell, it makes no sense at all. It's not even a sentence in the English language; a 'word salad' of gibberish (IMHO).

Here it is:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

It can be twisted around to mean anything.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

Fallacious interpretation ? Hell, it makes no sense at all. It's not even a sentence in the English language; a 'word salad' of gibberish (IMHO).

Here it is:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

It can be twisted around to mean anything.

If taken grammatically as written, then the purpose of "to keep and bear arms" is to support a well-ordered State militia, full stop. That is the only "right" granted by the second amendment. The rest is left to the States and local regulation.
Btw, I agree that the anachronistic "word salad" lacking relevant context is the source of ambiguity and confusion.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

My belief system is pretty crazy. Science Fiction, someone called it

But I'm telling you straight out, the United States Air Force has the ability to stop the internet, stop the gas pumps, and money transactions anywhere in the Continental USA.

Sounds like Sci Fi to me. Like to see some actual evidence of these capabilities. Also, why are Alaska, Hawaii and our territories not under this Big Brother umbrella?

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by nailer

Sounds like Sci Fi to me. Like to see some actual evidence of these capabilities. Also, why are Alaska, Hawaii and our territories not under this Big Brother umbrella?

Actually, none of those things are really that hard to do if you have sufficient power in the right places. The actual movers and shakers in our government are not the caricatures you see in 50's science fiction movies. They are highly intelligent people who work on threat models all the time.

Underestimate them at your peril.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

Actually, none of those things are really that hard to do if you have sufficient power in the right places. The actual movers and shakers in our government are not the caricatures you see in 50's science fiction movies. They are highly intelligent people who work on threat models all the time.

Underestimate them at your peril.

Bah. Most analysts everywhere are faking it. Real analysis is very hard work, and you know what result is wanted ahead of time....

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

Actually, none of those things are really that hard to do if you have sufficient power in the right places. The actual movers and shakers in our government are not the caricatures you see in 50's science fiction movies. They are highly intelligent people who work on threat models all the time.

Underestimate them at your peril.

You have reading comprehension issues. My post and the post I was replying to aren't about threat models. They are about a claimed capability.

FWIW, before retiring I often found myself working with many of the highly intelligent people you referenced and do not feel in peril regardless of my estimate of them.

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by nailer

Sounds like Sci Fi to me. Like to see some actual evidence of these capabilities. Also, why are Alaska, Hawaii and our territories not under this Big Brother umbrella?

I suppose they can do it anywhere in the Western Hemisphere. Hawaii would be a big place for them. Snowden did all his NSA work on Hawaii.

I think in terms of the CONUS only. I'm in Kansas, never seen an ocean in my 56 years of living.

I'm looking for proof that the USAF is the top dog on the internet. I read an article about it 15 years ago that was amazing.

Can't find it right now.

[Pio1980]

Re, the tech capabilities of the USAF and other federal agencies is a matter of the highest security, as long as generalissimo blabbermouth doesn't disclose them with his braggadocio bullshit.

[BigElCat]

In 1791, a free state was a state that prohibited slavery.

Somehow they wanted to make it illegal for the Slave States to form there own militias, and give the Free States a means to defend themselves.

Weird.

[BigElCat]

So our right to own guns is contingent on us being in a militia?

We have to be in a militia to own a gun. I'm glad that question is not on the FBI background check.