Why I am a shoshalist

[icenine]

Originally Posted by JCricket

The one key thing here, I was taught to give to those who were in need. I was not taught to give to another person who would then distribute those resources to others.

That is all very nice but what is wrong if you give to another and they in turn give to it those in need i.e. pay it forward?. And not all of us are as nice as you.

[JCricket]

Originally Posted by icenine

That is all very nice but what is wrong if you give to another and they in turn give to it those in need i.e. pay it forward?. And not all of us are as nice as you.

Nothing, in fact that is how it should work. My point, and I failed to make it clear, we were responsible to make it work. We were not supposed to give to another person and hope they would make it work. So giving it to a third party and then saying I did my part was not acceptable. Looking at the people in need and doing everything you can to help was our responsibility, not the government's or the churches' or anyone else's.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by JCricket

Nothing, in fact that is how it should work. My point, and I failed to make it clear, we were responsible to make it work. We were not supposed to give to another person and hope they would make it work. So giving it to a third party and then saying I did my part was not acceptable. Looking at the people in need and doing everything you can to help was our responsibility, not the government's or the churches' or anyone else's.

The government is the people! I don't trust if left up to people in general to give equally to those who have needs. Will be selective in the conception of needs. Either subconsciously or intended. By what church you go to, ethnicity, race, economic level, education level age ect......



Barney

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Oerets

The government is the people! I don't trust if left up to people in general to give equally to those who have needs. Will be selective in the conception of needs. Either subconsciously or intended. By what church you go to, ethnicity, race, economic level, education level age ect......



Barney

And, that is the crux of the biscuit. Of course Republicans will send all of their donations to the wealthiest and most highly advantaged.......because they need our help. And the disadvantaged are on their own because they need to learn to lift themselves up. After all, they did it to themselves, anyways.........

Dave

[icenine]

Originally Posted by JCricket

Nothing, in fact that is how it should work. My point, and I failed to make it clear, we were responsible to make it work. We were not supposed to give to another person and hope they would make it work. So giving it to a third party and then saying I did my part was not acceptable. Looking at the people in need and doing everything you can to help was our responsibility, not the government's or the churches' or anyone else's.

So are you against the government helping people with our taxes?
I mean we should use everything at our disposal.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by icenine

So are you against the government helping people with our taxes?
I mean we should use everything at our disposal.

Exactly! I have no problem with my taxes helping others in need. My problem is the giving to our elected officials and contractors unchecked.



Barney

[JCricket]

Originally Posted by icenine

So are you against the government helping people with our taxes?I mean we should use everything at our disposal.

Not at all. I just don't think the political environment will allow us to be effective in that manner. Too many people are corrupt, too many people hate the idea of helping others when they are struggling themselves(understandably), to many people trying to decide what a need is and how to meet it. I just do not see how, in our current legal system and political environment, a government could possibly fill the gap. If it could I would be all for it. I still am for it. I just do not think I can pay my taxes and then wash my hands of the responsibility of my neighbors welfare.

And I do understand, this would take a cultural shift to accomplish what I think should be. And yes I know I am dreaming and it is likely to never be a viable economic system or political system.

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by JCricket

Nothing, in fact that is how it should work. My point, and I failed to make it clear, we were responsible to make it work. We were not supposed to give to another person and hope they would make it work. So giving it to a third party and then saying I did my part was not acceptable. Looking at the people in need and doing everything you can to help was our responsibility, not the government's or the churches' or anyone else's.

Exactly! Think about how much more you would have in your pocket to use to help others, that you can see with your own eyes need help, rather than send it off to the government where it gets whittled down, then put into programs rife with corruption.