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[bobabode]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Many Dem's are scared shitless of being labelled soft on national security.

I wonder why that is?

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Many Dem's are scared shitless of being labelled soft on national security.

How silly because the only times America has won a war was under a Democratic President, if you exclude Lincoln.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by nailer

I stand corrected, but as Boreas pointed out most of the Senate Democrats were for it. As a nation we were stampeded by Bush and his pet at the CIA who lied their asses off, into overthrowing Sadam after 9/11, and I believe/think the feckless Democratic leadership shares in the responsibility for the Bush Administration's misguided OIF. Effective opposition party leadership could have stripped away the façade put up to sell Iraqi regime change.

Just a minor correction Bob .

A mea culpa of sorts, in the days after 9/11 I opined to the wife that maybe it was a good thing that Gee Dubya stole the election of '00 .
To this day, she hasn't really let me off the hook on that one.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by nailer

I stand corrected, but as Boreas pointed out most of the Senate Democrats were for it. As a nation we were stampeded into overthrowing Sadam after 9/11, and I believe/think the feckless Democratic leadership shares in the responsibility for the Bush Administration's misguided OIF. Effective opposition party leadership could have stripped away the façade put up to sell Iraqi regime change.

Actually George Bush had a blank check to fight terrorism after 9/11...he did not have the wisdom to use that authority correctly....he said a prayer and listened to his even more cavalier advisors and basically took out a Sunni regime that had nothing to do with 9/11 and you have ISIS today. Congress trusted the President as did most Americans at the time.

In years to come people will see Obama's red line failure as very smart...Syria is a bigger mess than Iraq and guess what...only the people there can solve it.

For America to step in and solve the Middle East we would have to basically re-create a colonial empire like the British had in the 19th Century...and the terrorists would still be bombing us.

Bush pulled the trigger. America made Iran the power it is now in Baghdad.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by nailer

And most of the Democrats in Congress willingly jumped on that wagon.

Thank you.

Have the right ideas without the conviction makes one an accomplice.

All these ass holes should burn in hell for what they created.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by noonereal

Thank you.

Have the right ideas without the conviction makes one an accomplice.

All these ass holes should burn in hell for what they created.

Dude, why are you buying into that crap? I already showed that Nailer's post is a lie.

If you want to say that the Democrats in Congress that voted for the resolution should burn in Hell, fine. But at least acknowledge that they were in the minority of their party. 147 Democrats in congress voted against the resolution vs. 111 that voted for it.

But on the Republican side it was 263 for and 7 against.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

Those numbers do not, by any stretch of the imagination, imply that the blame is equal.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Dude, why are you buying into that crap? I already showed that Nailer's post is a lie.

If you want to say that the Democrats in Congress that voted for the resolution should burn in Hell, fine. But at least acknowledge that they were in the minority of their party. 147 Democrats in congress voted against the resolution vs. 111 that voted for it.

But on the Republican side it was 263 for and 7 against.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

Those numbers do not, by any stretch of the imagination, imply that the blame is equal.

Don't bother me. I am in no mood.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by noonereal

I am in no mood.

That makes two of us.

Welcome to the club.

[icenine]

Slam dunk.

[merrylander]

Rummy and Wolfie were the real instigators, in my mind's eye I still see the WaPo photo of the two of them exiting the White House with big smiles on their faces, and the next day all hell broke loose.