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Old 07-06-2010, 10:45 AM
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"Oh, Father high in Heaven, smile down upon your son, who's busy with his money games, his women and his guns. Oh, Jesus save me....
And the unsung Western Hero killed and Indian or three, and made his name in Hollywood to set the White Man free.
If Jesus saves, well then, he'd better save himself, from the gory glory seekers who use his name in death.
I saw him in the city, and on the mountains of the Moon. His cross was rather bloody-he could hardly roll his stone."

"So, I asked this God a question, and by way of firm reply,
He said; I'm not the kind of God you wind up on Sundays........"

Guess what I was listeng to as I ate breakfast this morning?

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I saw Jethro Tull three times. Each time someone in the audience was yelling "Locomotive Breath." Ian Anderson had an amazing stage presence - he was acrobatic as he pranced around on the tops of the speakers. He also had his signature one legged stance when playing the flute. One time I saw them, the opening act was Cheap Trick. They were OK but pretty one dimensional as a straight ahead hard rock band. Jethro Tull brought in elements of folk, classical and baroque. When the band wanted to rock, however (such as answering the call for Locomotive Breath) they blew Cheap Trick's sound away. Most definitely one of the best live acts I have seen.

Somehow, I get the feeling they are not creationists.

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Old 07-06-2010, 10:59 AM
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There is still no proof of the theory of evolution. As biology is a hard science, both theories should be taught and examined - unless either side is afraid of that.

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Old 07-06-2010, 11:29 AM
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There is still no proof of the theory of evolution. As biology is a hard science, both theories should be taught and examined - unless either side is afraid of that.

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According to the American Association for the Advancement of Science,

"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world. The theory of biological evolution is more than "just a theory." It is as factual an explanation of the universe as the atomic theory of matter or the germ theory of disease. Our understanding of gravity is still a work in progress. But the phenomenon of gravity, like evolution, is an accepted fact."

The National Academy of Science says:

"Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature supported by facts gathered over time."

There is all sorts of evidentiary support for the theory of evolution, and AFAIK no contrary evidence that can withstand scientific scrutiny.

OTOH, there is not one whit of peer-reviewed and broadly accepted evidence to support creationism (which BTW is not a scientific "theory"). Creationism has the same scientific standing as the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus.
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Old 07-06-2010, 11:32 AM
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There is still no proof of the theory of evolution. As biology is a hard science, both theories should be taught and examined - unless either side is afraid of that.

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I think both sides are afraid of that. IMO, the Creationists are more afraid. Losing that argument would not merely mean they are wrong, it would shake the very foundation (religion) beneath their feet.

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Old 07-06-2010, 11:35 AM
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I think both sides are afraid of that. IMO, the Creationists are more afraid. Losing that argument would not merely mean they are wrong, it would shake the very foundation (religion) beneath their feet.

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And I think that the people who believe in evolution are afraid of the societal results of the "dumbing down" of our schools through the introduction of religious dogma as science. Count me as one of these folks.
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"Oh, Father high in Heaven, smile down upon your son, who's busy with his money games, (Wall Street?) his women (Palin, Bachmann?) and his guns. (Wingnuts?).

Oh, Jesus save me....

And the unsung Western Hero killed and Indian or three, and made his name in Hollywood to set the White Man free. Reagan?

If Jesus saves, well then, he'd better save himself, from the gory glory seekers who use his name in death.
Right Wing Hawks?

I saw him in the city, and on the mountains of the Moon. His cross was rather bloody-he could hardly roll his stone."
Think about it.........................Kinda eerie, aint it?

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Old 07-06-2010, 11:46 AM
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And I think that the people who believe in evolution are afraid of the societal results of the "dumbing down" of our schools through the introduction of religious dogma as science. Count me as one of these folks.
+1 Worse, IMO, is the "illusion of central position" that Creationism and fundamentalist Christianity promote.

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"So, I asked this God a question, and by way of firm reply,
He said; I'm not the kind of God you wind up on Sundays........"
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"The Kingdom of God is within you and all around you, not in mansions of timber and stone. Split any piece of wood and I am there."---Jesus Christ

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And I think that the people who believe in evolution are afraid of the societal results of the "dumbing down" of our schools through the introduction of religious dogma as science. Count me as one of these folks.
Me thinks you're onto something.............

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+1 Worse, IMO, is the "illusion of central position" that Creationism and fundamentalist Christianity promote.

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Yep.

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