White Supremacist Ideas Have Historical Roots In U.S. Christianity

[BigElCat]

The 'Great Emancipator' was actually just an astute politician.

He didn't set out to free black people from slavery, that was more of a by-product than a root cause. His cause was to preserve the Union.

http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/...es/greeley.htm

[BigElCat]

Here's an interesting bit of trivia.

The Battle Hymn of the Republic was co-opted by an Abolitionist; it was originally a more secular marching song for Union Soldiers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle...f_the_Republic

Here's the original lyrics sung by Pete Seeger...

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...go%3dCT3210127

Howe dreamed that the Union Armaments represented the Glory of God; writ in burnished rows of steel.

The fact is, 85% of the Union Army was comprised of conscripted soldiers, men who were fighting because they had no choice in the matter. It was go to war, or be imprisoned, or killed. That in itself is a form of human slavery.

[BigElCat]

Here's my rebuttal... I subscribe to the Lost Cause Mythos.

I've been brain washed by misinformation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EOhXF5lNgQ

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

I am a slave, held in bondage to Satan.

I just aware of it, whereas, most people are not.

Let's talk about the abolition movement.

John Brown, it's lead proponent, was a sociopathic murderer. He used morality as a cover while he killed children and families just because 'dad' was going to vote Pro-Slavery. I think he just liked to kill people, and to induce other people to kill each other.

"Rise Up (to be slaughtered)".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B..._Harpers_Ferry

Fredrick Douglas told him, "No man, you're crazy".

You elevate John Brown to 'lead proponent' just to have 'sociopathinc murderer' mud to throw at the whole movement. Fredrick Douglas was right, of course, but about John Brown, not about the general class of abolition campaigners. They were willing to wave John Brown's bloody shirt, but were not about to personally do any actual fighting. Hiding slaves who made it across the Ohio was about as wild as they were going to get.

And I still worry that to think abolitionists all craxy is to think slavery sane.

But let's talk about your first statement. How do you know you are "a slave, in bondage to Satan?" The statement frankly seems to me to put you in the same class as John Brown.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

Here's my rebuttal... I subscribe to the Lost Cause Mythos.

I've been brain washed by misinformation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EOhXF5lNgQ

Sorry, won't watch half an hour of lost cause special pleading. The main claim of the whole 'lost cause' mythos is that the war was not over slavery. Which is false. It's like this: the North mainly fought to subdue the 'rebelluon' of the seceeding states. But those states seceded over slavery, first and foremost.

[Oerets]

One can use the argument of, not being about slavery. Now it should seem a very poor one used to justify or even deflect from fact.
Just is, the actions by the very ones who fought and supported the war against the US after surrender. Their actions against former slaves continued and still continues by those who followed by indoctrination with the belief of a "lost cause"!
Now to have spread into the mainstream across the nation. Showing to many that it was and is race as the corner stone of their beliefs.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

The 'Great Emancipator' was actually just an astute politician.

He didn't set out to free black people from slavery, that was more of a by-product than a root cause. His cause was to preserve the Union.

http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/...es/greeley.htm

Yep. And the south wasn't fighting because of slavery. It was just the particular "state's right" that Lincoln glommed onto to get enough support to actually win that war. People don't fully grasp just how bad the Union was doing before Gettysburg. Had Lee gotten around little round top, this could be a very different couple of nations today. And not in the good way.

I could literally imagine north America split up like Europe.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Sadly this makes alot of sense.
Most proclaimed "Christians" I know are not!

Hypocritical judgmental Being Closed-Minded, always right, only they know the secret to life, seem to me in general.

Most countries were peopled by a particular race back then. The US was fairly unique with its melting pot concept. Being an [insert race] supremist was what pretty much everyone was, if only as a part of their nationalism to keep their country strong in what was an international "anarchy" where no country was the "world's police force". You had to remain strong or your neighbor would attack and try to take your land and stuff. It's just the way the world was.

The US changed all that.

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Sorry, won't watch half an hour of lost cause special pleading. The main claim of the whole 'lost cause' mythos is that the war was not over slavery. Which is false. It's like this: the North mainly fought to subdue the 'rebelluon' of the seceeding states. But those states seceded over slavery, first and foremost.

The video is not "Lost Cause pleading".

I think it represents your POV quite well.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

The video is not "Lost Cause pleading".

I think it represents your POV quite well.

I just watched it. I think you are absolutely right.

I even learned a few things watching it.