"Mein Kampf" - back in Germany!

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

And people tend to conform, once they realize the futility of opposition. The Nazis had efficiently systematically terrorized Germany.

Yes, that was the intention all along. Claus Von Staffenburg knew full well what he was up against, and the probable consequences. If only----.

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[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Yes, that was the intention all along. Claus Von Staffenburg knew full well what he was up against, and the probable consequences. If only----.

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It's thought that, though von Stauffenberg disapproved of things like Hitler's treatment of the Jews and the general loss of religious freedom under Hitler, he was totally on board with the war aims of the Third Reich. He had been urged since the beginning of the war to join the German resistance movement but had... um... resisted. It really wasn't until it became obvious to him that Germany couldn't win the war that von Stauffenberg signed on.

In his autobiography, Hans Bernd Gisevius, one of the few survivors of the resistance, had this to say about von Stauffenberg:

"Stauffenberg wanted to retain all the totalitarian, militaristic and soci@listic elements of National Soci@lism (p. 504). What he had in mind was the salvation of Germany by military men who could break with corruption and maladministration, who would provide an orderly military government and would inspire the people to make one last great effort. Reduced to a formula, he wanted the nation to remain soldierly and become soci@listic (p. 503).

"Stauffenberg was motivated by the impulsive passions of the disillusioned military man whose eyes had been opened by the defeat of German arms (p. 510). Stauffenberg had shifted to the rebel side only after Stalingrad (p. 512). The difference between Stauffenberg, Helldorf and Schulenburg — all of them counts — was that Helldorf had come to the Nazi Movement as a primitive, I might almost say an unpolitical revolutionary. The other two had been attracted primarily by a political ideology. Therefore, it was possible for Helldorf to throw everything overboard at once: Hitler, the Party, the entire system. Stauffenberg, Schulenberg and their clique wanted to drop no more ballast than was absolutely necessary; then they would paint the ship of state a military gray and set it afloat again (p. 513–514)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_v...war_misgivings

John

[icenine]

Bluebook essay contest:

Compare and contrast the reaction of Egypt to Morisi's effort to become a dictator in 2012 with that of Germany in the 1930s after the passage of various Enabling Acts.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by icenine

Bluebook essay contest:

Compare and contrast the reaction of Egypt to Morisi's effort to become a dictator in 2012 with that of Germany in the 1930s after the passage of various Enabling Acts.

There was enough mass in Egypt who definitely did not want a religious
dictatorship. They had seen examples close to them and wanted no part of
it.

I believe the Germans to a great degree got taken in by Hitler's master play
on the fear of the Bolsheviks. By burning down the reichstag he got a free
hand to move against the commies, but used it to move against everyone
he did not like.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

There was enough mass in Egypt who definitely did not want a religious
dictatorship. They had seen examples close to them and wanted no part of
it.

I believe the Germans to a great degree got taken in by Hitler's master play
on the fear of the Bolsheviks. By burning down the reichstag he got a free
hand to move against the commies, but used it to move against everyone
he did not like.

C-



missed my whole point..but good first paragraph. Such an essay would get you into graduate school but no Graduate Assistant stipend to get you out of the tuition costs

[Pio1980]

Thnx John.
It's my impression that he came to understand that Germany was going down because of the regimes incompetence at the top and AH's insistence that if he goes down the Reich and Germany go down with him as per his delusion of being the living embodiment of the core spirit of the State itself.

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[Pio1980]

The Leni Riefenstahl interview film I'm watching is excellent, highly recommended if any interest.

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[Pio1980]

Starting "Triumph of the Will" now.
Doubt I could stomach Mein Kampf.

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[icenine]

Sadly, as time goes on, it is starting to become more benign. Sort of the same way Napoleon is seen today...as quite not so bad. Of course for the real people Napoleon killed on his excursions through Europe it was bad.

Look at Harmon Kardon's post another way when he mentioned his relatives on the Eastern Front: why were they there to begin with? Germany wanted to make Eastern Europe and Russia their backyard and the Slavic peoples who lived their did not matter because they were sub-human. It was all written down in the 1920s by the leader in the book we are discussing.

[icenine]

Remember is was the German Army that did the fighting; not some para-military group created by the leader.