Monuments and Myths

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

but not o Rommel. There is a reason for that.

Oh Hell No ! Did you just say that ?

This reminds me of the day Charles Manson died.

Someone on AK said Manson wasn't a musician, and I was like "he was pretty good at the guitar". Shit was on, then.

Manson was obsessed with Rommel. We'll see how this pans out.

[Chicks]

Arnold schools Donny and his hateful nazi supporters.

https://youtu.be/q4wgojkSzlU

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

Robert E. Lee despised human slavery.

Lincoln wanted Lee to be his top general, but Lee believed in 'States Rights' over Federal authority.

That what the Civil War was about. It had very little to do with granting slaves their freedom. The quality of life for the slaves didn't improve much at all when their freedom was granted.

Black folks are still fighting that war. If bringing the statues down is going to help, then it's good thing. Only time will tell.

There is an "alternate history" novel called Guns of the South, written by Harry Turtledove. Great book. It was based on his research regarding the war and the information concerning the beliefs and actions of its major characters.

MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT

In the end, the south wins and Lee becomes president of the south. The guys from the future that helped him win the war attempt to assassinate him when he decides to free the slaves. But he doesn't do it the way the north did in the real world. Only those born after the war are born free, but the rest will be given marginal freedom. The reason was logical. Someone who has been a slave all his life typically has no education and has the personal responsibility level of a child. Sending them out into the world "free" would be like doing the same to a six year old. It would not go well for them (as we learned in the real world). His plan was designed to make sure they could handle the freedom and build solid lives.

But like you said, he was no fan of slavery. I don't think many of his generals were, Forrest being a major exception, obviously.

As with all wars and, frankly, individual human lives in general, things are a bit more complicated than they seem at first glance.

[Oerets]

The states rights they fought over was..........the right to own another human. All other rhetoric was window dressing. (IM and most HO)

The reason for the quality of life not changing to the better. Lays squarely at the ruling class. Not the former slaves rather the lack of leadership and will to help them.

R E Lee may of freed his slaves before the war ended. He was still a trader to his oath to the USA. Was responsible for many loyal Americans deaths.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

Manson was obsessed with Rommel. We'll see how this pans out.

OOPS.

Wait. So was Patton.

Of course, the question on everybody's mind regarding Manson: Ginger or Maryanne?

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

Political Zionists embrace Nazi memorials, because they prompt their cause. That's why they're left untouched.

The Progressive Liberals are going after Confederate memorials, because they're not nearly as smart as the Political Zionists. They don't even recognize their own hatred.

So, you've read, "The bell curve"?

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Arnold schools Donny and his hateful nazi supporters.

https://youtu.be/q4wgojkSzlU

Good rebuttal.

The BLM/Progressive demonstrators should stay home, too.

Wrecking the USA at a vulnerable time is not the answer. We'll get a new (and much worse) form of government.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

Good rebuttal.

The BLM/Progressive demonstrators should stay home, too.

Wrecking the USA at a vulnerable time is not the answer. We'll get a new (and much worse) form of government.

Wrecking the USA? Poppycock. What a ridiculous over-reaction to believe that.

Read the Mona Charon piece I linked to in other thread, and tell me who is actually doing grievous harm to the USA. Hint--he was elected with a minority of the votes.

Hey, still have the link in the buffer, so here you go:

https://thebulwark.com/trump-the-bar...mpression=true

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

Political Zionists embrace Nazi memorials, because they prompt their cause. That's why they're left untouched.

The Progressive Liberals are going after Confederate memorials, because they're not nearly as smart as the Political Zionists. They don't even recognize their own hatred.

There are no German Nazi memorials or monuments to their lost cause, nor to the architects, generals, statesmen or soldiers that promoted and defended German nazism.
A vast difference to memorials for the victims, for whom the immeasurably costly lessons should not be minimalized or forgotten.
And yet, many folks are determined to ignore them with a return to authoritarian nationalism backed by the plutocracy, the very definition of fascism.

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by Oerets

The states rights they fought over was..........the right to own another human. All other rhetoric was window dressing. (IM and most HO)

The reason for the quality of life not changing to the better. Lays squarely at the ruling class. Not the former slaves rather the lack of leadership and will to help them.

R E Lee may of freed his slaves before the war ended. He was still a trader to his oath to the USA. Was responsible for many loyal Americans deaths.

The slave owners were generating a disproportion amount of wealth, and that wealth was equating to political power. The Civil War was fought to curtail that power.

Very few White people wanted the Blacks folks integrated into USA society as equals (or at all). It is evil, not saying this is how it should be, but it's a historical fact.

We shouldn't rewrite history. We can learn from it and move on.