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Old 05-14-2014, 06:31 PM
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I've never in my life heard of glasses for severe brain injury. Rove is a dick. He also fronts the republican party, so what does that say about republicans?

Repeat after me...

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This is like Benghazi. Throw it out there and even if it does not stick, suspicion has been planted. Similar to Obama's birther's, Kerry and the swift boaters. Even Obama's middle name was a hint, hint. There is a term for this tactic and is quite effective in politics that escapes me.
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Old 05-14-2014, 06:39 PM
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This is like Benghazi. Throw it out there and even if it does not stick, suspicion has been planted. Similar to Obama's birther's, Kerry and the swift boaters. Even Obama's middle name was a hint, hint. There is a term for this tactic and is quite effective in politics that escapes me.
Could the word be something like War on Women, Racist, The Party of No, Fox Lies. Kind of like the right?
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Old 05-14-2014, 07:02 PM
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... War on Women, Racist, The Party of No, Fox Lies.
Finally, some truth out of 5 below. Guilty on all 4 counts.

And WTF do you know about the war on women, eh asswipe? Ever escorted a terrified 19 year old through a crowd of hysterical christians screaming "murderer" and waving posters with pictures of bloody pig viscera? I have...a number of times, back in the old days before the local authorities finally decided these assholes needed to keep their distance. I know all about the war on women. You don't know jack fucking shit about it.

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Old 05-14-2014, 07:52 PM
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Under what circumstances is blind patriotism for patriotism sake acceptable or respectable.
It has to do with the duality of man.

The Jungian thing.

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Old 05-14-2014, 08:30 PM
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I have no issue with refusing to go.

I do have an issue with not having the balls to suffer any consequences for it.

If you say, "This is screwed up and dumb. I'm not going, come get me?" Then, wait for the police?

You're not a shitbag.

Oh, this does give me gas. One is some kind of loathsome if one does whatever it takes to avoid getting fucking killed or maimed, while participated in the killing and maiming of millions, in a war that just about everyone agrees is screwed-up and dumb?
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:33 PM
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Finally, some truth out of 5 below. Guilty on all 4 counts.

And WTF do you know about the war on women, eh asswipe? Ever escorted a terrified 19 year old through a crowd of hysterical christians screaming "murderer" and waving posters with pictures of bloody pig viscera? I have...a number of times, back in the old days before the local authorities finally decided these assholes needed to keep their distance. I know all about the war on women. You don't know jack fucking shit about it.
Is your medication refill late.
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:33 PM
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No problem at all.

I was one myself in the run up to the Iraq War.

Went to about a dozen of the local ones.

But I think Carter's pardoning of the slimy little fucks that ran off to Canada was a slap in the face to everyone who has ever served in the Armed Forces of the United States.

Including Confederate soldiers.

No it wasn't. Why do you feel it was? Give me the logic.
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Old 05-14-2014, 09:28 PM
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No problem at all.

I was one myself in the run up to the Iraq War.

Went to about a dozen of the local ones.

But I think Carter's pardoning of the slimy little fucks that ran off to Canada was a slap in the face to everyone who has ever served in the Armed Forces of the United States.

Including Confederate soldiers.
I am retired career Army, 20-odd years, and was totally draftable in the 1960s, so I enlisted to have a say in the process. I have family in Canada and have put some thought into that end of the equation. It seemed to me it took something extra-ordinary to leave family and friends with Stateside connections cut on principle while rolling the dice on an uncertain future legal status, rather than just shrugging one's shoulders, raising one's hand and essentially saying "what-ever", and going along with what was expected instead of standing up for what one believed and putting it on the line.
I was not sufficiently emotionally invested in opposition to "The War" to make that commitment and have nothing against those that did, I think Carter did the country a favor by cutting that cord to a still-highly controversial past policy and letting them get on with their lives as history was on their side.
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Old 05-14-2014, 09:35 PM
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No it wasn't. Why do you feel it was? Give me the logic.
Because I played by the rules and they cheated and Carter let them get away with it.

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I am retired career Army, 20-odd years, and was totally draftable in the 1960s, so I enlisted to have a say in the process. I have family in Canada and have put some thought into that end of the equation. It seemed to me it took something extra-ordinary to leave family and friends with Stateside connections cut on principle while rolling the dice on an uncertain future legal status, rather than just shrugging one's shoulders, raising one's hand and essentially saying "what-ever", and going along with what was expected instead of standing up for what one believed and putting it on the line.
I was not sufficiently emotionally invested in opposition to "The War" to make that commitment and have nothing against those that did, I think Carter did the country a favor by cutting that cord to a still-highly controversial past policy and letting them get on with their lives as history was on their side.
I couldn't agree with you less. I feel cheated by Carters actions.


End of Discussion you commie Libs.

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Old 05-14-2014, 09:41 PM
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I couldn't agree with you less. I feel cheated by Carters actions.
I believe in a nation governed by the rule of law and try to comply, but if I was faced with an ethical dilemma similar to German citizens under the 3rd Reich and was aware of the implications, I would hope I'd have the strength of character to follow my standards rather than going along with the expectations of the regime.
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