Indiana Becomes 23rd "Right-To-Work" State

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

It doesn't. The problem is that they have somewhere to go.............

Have you ever asked yourself why the answer always has to be to give them whatever they want? Have you ever wondered where it ends and where that road leads?

Look at AZ. It's already "Right to Work" state----not good enough. Now, they moving to to strip the ability to organize outright. Tell me, what comes after that?

Dave

Sure I've asked myself that, but what is the answer? Do make laws saying they can't leave? Do you make laws that every where has to be a union shop?

I'm just curious where the happy medium is and how it's achieved.

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

Sure I've asked myself that, but what is the answer? Do make laws saying they can't leave? Do you make laws that every where has to be a union shop?

I'm just curious where the happy medium is and how it's achieved.

It's socialism...that's the answer. These Leftys think the only solution is to force a private company to support some idiot through thick and thin while other Dems in government spend the country into oblivion.

WTF Dave? Do you not have the ability to better yourself or is coffee all you've got?

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

Sure I've asked myself that, but what is the answer? Do make laws saying they can't leave? Do you make laws that every where has to be a union shop?

I'm just curious where the happy medium is and how it's achieved.

I don't know if you've read my opinion on this before, so I'll restate;

You may be surprised to know that I support a workers right to NOT join any organization he/she doesn't want to. Really.

However, if were worried about the fairness, or even constitutionality of a "closed shop";

How can you make a law forcing any organization to provide service to an employee who refuses to pay for it? (And, don't try to tell me they don't. I've seen it. I live and work in a right to work state.)

How can you justify all of the steps a company takes to thwart attempts by employees to join an organization that they DO wish to join? (I've participated in organizing drives and seen this too. Everything from scrutiny and harrasment to actual violence against picketing union supporters.)

My problem with "Right to Work" laws is that they don't have a damn thing to do with anyones "Right to Work". The goal is to see that workers have LESS CONTROL over their wages and working conditions, and nothing more.

Having stated that;

There are NO other ways to attract/retain business? Well, I guess when you support a system wherein "acceptability of terms" changes with whatever new lowball trick some foreign country, state or locality has gotten away with, the only thing you CAN do is tell your workers their lives are going to progressively decline, ad infinitum.....................

But, hey...Business owners will be in hog heaven. So It's all good. Right?

I ponder that point, and look forward to a very ugly future.

Dave

[Oerets]

Having worked through a Union campaign that was eventually voted in. The employees only benefit from a Union when it is UNITED. The company knows this and plays on the weak minded and freeloaders who what their cake and eat it too! Those who want the ability to walk across the picket line if ever there was a strike, also hate to paying up dues.

One should remember that most if not all upper management at big companies have contracts to protect them. You can say negative things about unions and be true about most. But at the end of the day with a union the pension, benefits and working conditions are protected more then without one.


Now about Mitch Daniels and Indiana, being closer to the state and his handling of it. I can tell you he has outsourced more then one State employee over his tenure. Leased out the toll roads to a German company for 75 years receiving a one time payment. State Lottery, BMV and other State employees lost their jobs and needed to reapply with a new company for their old jobs back. Starting over at lower pay, benefits and seniority. The company's that took over the state agencies are out of state BTW.
Knew of one employee that was weeks away from retiring after 35 years but due to the outsourcing of their job now needs to work 10 more years. Then will only receive the same amount being given no benefit of the 10 extra years. Well they will have the 401k I guess to make up the difference. RIGHT!

During his time in office the sales tax was increased along with property taxes. Some will argue the property taxes were lowered, true the tax rate has been lowered but the value of the property somehow was raised to more then cover the lower rate. Even in this market the homes values are going up!

Then also with the ability to use ones taxes to pay for a private school tuition public schools are scrambling for funds.


Barney

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

Maybe the "Little Guy" needs to take advantage of all the opportunities this country offers them.

Oh wait, that would take effort...my mistake.

Take a hike dj

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

It's socialism...that's the answer. These Leftys think the only solution is to force a private company to support some idiot through thick and thin while other Dems in government spend the country into oblivion.

WTF Dave? Do you not have the ability to better yourself or is coffee all you've got?

I like what I do and I make a good living at it.

I want to keep it that way.

What is so hard to understand about that?

Dave

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Interesting to note;

It has nothing to do if whether the law is just, or not......

"Daniels, governor since 2005 and a prominent spokesman for Republicans nationally, said he decided Indiana needed the controversial new law after several businesses decided to locate elsewhere."

....it was because "several businesses decide to locate elsewhere."

Just another way for Republicans to transfer more wealth from the working class to wealthy. That's all.

Cheaper, more docile workforce, little regulation, lower taxes..............

Can't help but wonder what they'll demand next?

Dave

Less safety, who cares if a blue collar worker loses a finger or an eye. Then they can fire the poor guy or better yet charge them for getting blood all over the shop and slowing down the line.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Less safety, who cares if a blue collar worker loses a finger or an eye. Then they can fire the poor guy or better yet charge them for getting blood all over the shop and slowing down the line.

Yeah, we can go back to the days when the mining companies first started providing medical check-ups. The were not for the employees' health benefit. If the exam revealed that the employee was damaged goods, he lost his job and he and his family were kicked out of company housing. Ah yes, but the land owners had liberty.

Regards,

D-Ray

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Yeah, we can go back to the days when the mining companies first started providing medical check-ups. The were not for the employees' health benefit. If the exam revealed that the employee was damaged goods, he lost his job and he and his family were kicked out of company housing. Ah yes, but the land owners had liberty.

Regards,

D-Ray

Hi Dave, Remember Rocket Boys- poor kid had to choose between high school and going down in the coal mine,after his father was injured saving other coal miners. It was the last place he was willing to go, but they were facing eviction cause Dad was injured on the job.
These folk who advocate this right to work doublespeak ought to go work for Massey Energy to get a taste of their own medicine. The sad part of these devotees of corporate greed is that they aren't even part of the ruling class.
They're simply lazy dupes wishing for a white collar job that's a myth in the first place. I love the sneering, snarling crap that spews from their mouths cause it just proves how shallow and lazy their thought processes are. When all else fails them, they start with calling faggot, leftys and similar perjoratives.
(look that one up DJ) I'm blue collar and I own my own business, meager though it is these days. I am a union man and I'll die a union man.

Rob hit the nail on the head re: abortion. Who in the hell can claim the right to tell anyone what they can do with their body. There is no argument that holds water saying otherwise.
Climbing up on a cross, draping oneself in the flag are all signs of a demagoge who is showing their failings for all to see.
Not Of This World they proclaim around this part of the country, sadly I agree and they should exit posthaste. It would make for a better place for the rest of us godless heathens.

[Big_Bill]

First I would like to ask my fellow members here,

How many of you would have a job today if not for someone else risking everything to start a company ? Who worked for years to provide a product, expand the sales of this product and many times almost lost everything, several times during tough times. And when he finally begins to expands his business to the point that he can no longer handle the load himself, hires some help. Now the owner of this business, who worked for years, sometimes 7 days a week, perhaps 16 to 20 hours a day, for sometimes no pay at all, is The Man, and he owes you "Your Fair Share"

If not for people that took chances at great risks to build the companies that now employ you, where would you be today ?

Instead of thanking the people that offer you the opportunity for a better life, you fellows want "Your Fair Share" of his sweat, blood and suffering. Your not partners, your employees. You didn't help him build the company, you just performed a task that you agreed to perform for a wage. You agreed to work for a fee, not a piece of the company.

America is the Land of the Free, your free to start your own business, or to work for someone else. And if you can find better employment, you are free to take it.

But don't cry that Your being put down, because if you are, it's your own fault.

And as the company goes public, and the creator of the company begins to see the fruit of their labors, the new owners, the public, perhaps even yourself, want to see their fair share of the profits. And if they do not receive them, they will sell your stock and move on to a better, more profitable company's.

You want it ALL, you want it NOW, but you do not want to earn it. Start your own business, any business that you think that you can be a success with, and after 7 years you may be on your way to wealth or bankruptcy. Go and Give it your best !

Bill