Ryan's Budget and the debt limit

[BlueStreak]

The most important and wonderful thing to me, as far as the "Single Payer" issue goes, is this;

It's one less thing an asshole employer has to hold over my head. I can tell the jerkoff to "bite me" and have one less thing to lose. I'm sure this is also an aspect of it that they hate, besides having to help pay for it. A workforce less dependent on them is a scary thing for them, to be sure. It means they have to work even harder and pay more out to maintain control. Same reason they despise "unemployment insurance", SS and Medicaid/Medicare. These things help sustain people after they've stopped working. And a slave driving butthole just can't have that, now can he? They're no longer laboring under the heavy weight of his yoke, and he's helping pay for it. Poor baby.

Dave

[d-ray657]

Blue - you is smokin'

Regards,

D-Ray

[BlueStreak]

Actually, I do realize people do have some incentive to work. Without it, no one would work. But, incentive is just the operative word to point out. Threatening someone with poverty and disenfranchisement if they don't drag the stone is NOT incentive---it's punishment for failing to obey your master. Incentive, to my mind, would be to offer someone something over and above what they already have.

And, I believe certain things are basic human necessities---like access to healthcare, a roof over their heads and food in their bellies. I pay taxes too, and I don't mind helping pay for these things. Unfortunately, that is a lonely opinion these days. I also happen to realize, that one day, we will ALL be too old to work, barring some tragic accident or illness, of course...........Some of us seem to have been brainwashed into thinking this is not so. That "True Patriots" work until they die and that SS and Medicare are nothing more than handouts for slackers. Fools. Damned fools, facing into the wind, tally-whacker in hand, ready to pee.

Dave

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Actually, I do realize people do have some incentive to work. Without it, no one would work.

This is sure not universal although I do agree with you that in many many occupations where capitalism has caused a slave/slave owner environment this is indeed true.

it's ashame how adversarial a relationship generally is between workers and owners under our present system

[merrylander]

Good old whell ank his linkies; Single payer cost me 0.8% on my taxable income and $54 per month for the family plan - if they doubled that it is still cheaper than $10,000 a year here. As for the sad story of the lady on CNN I really am sispicious about them. My sister-in-law went to Emergency with chest pains - they made here comfortable and installed a pacemaker next morning. My nephew has has two hip joint replacements. His sister recently had back surgery aand is now walking, before she had been confined to a wheel chair. The woman in the CNN link did not say if she had gone to Emergency or not, if she did not she was a fool and so was her internist.

BTW I fail to see what he population difference makes, we are more or less looking after the population at the moment, or are you concerned that people who do without healthcare now will actually get to see a doctor? SinglePayer also covered preventative medicine, maybe that in addition to good genes accounts for why I do not use prescription drugs. On my first visit to our new internist his receptionist asked what drugs did I take. I said if I ever get a headache maybe a Bufferin.

Ah but I know if it was not invented here it can't be any good.

[merrylander]

Capitalism vis a vis soci@lism neither is a panacea simply because they both failed to take human nature into account - people can be greedy and selfish and so must be regulated for their own good. If you are an honest and compassionate person such regulations will not bother you. If you are dishonest and selfish they will simply curb your bad appetites. In the long run which is better, an economy that grows steadily or boom and bust?

[whell]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Capitalism vis a vis soci@lism neither is a panacea simply because they both failed to take human nature into account - people can be greedy and selfish and so must be regulated for their own good. If you are an honest and compassionate person such regulations will not bother you. If you are dishonest and selfish they will simply curb your bad appetites. In the long run which is better, an economy that grows steadily or boom and bust?

+1 and QFT.

IMHO, there is no "perfect" economic system. But if you want to put in place a system that appeals most efficiently to the "better angles" in human nature, capitalism is the way to go. Capitalism allows individuals to maximize their talents and resources, produce economic growth, and efficiently convert capital. Sure, it is a system that produces winners and losers, but the compassionate nature of those who participate in the system provides for a social safety net. It also encourages risk taking, which often produces economic reward.

So*buttmonkey**buttmonkey**buttmonkey**buttmonkey* *buttmonkey**buttmonkey*m starts with the safety net, and encourages inefficiencies, and lack of participation in the economy. Its a system that provides an inherent reward for those who choose to be unproductive or under-productive. This creates a negative inertia that is very difficult to overcome.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by whell

+1 and QFT.

IMHO, there is no "perfect" economic system. But if you want to put in place a system that appeals most efficiently to the "better angles" in human nature, capitalism is the way to go. Capitalism allows individuals to maximize their talents and resources, produce economic growth, and efficiently convert capital. Sure, it is a system that produces winners and losers, but the compassionate nature of those who participate in the system provides for a social safety net. It also encourages risk taking, which often produces economic reward.

So*buttmonkey**buttmonkey**buttmonkey**buttmonkey* *buttmonkey**buttmonkey*m starts with the safety net, and encourages inefficiencies, and lack of participation in the economy. Its a system that provides an inherent reward for those who choose to be unproductive or under-productive. This creates a negative inertia that is very difficult to overcome.

This is why I have no respect for most your posts. You have no ability to be rational and objective.

You always state nonsense as fact in an attempt to steer/control the discussion.

You know the way you started this post, "there is no "perfect" economic system" I had an interest in reading it but your very next line, "But if you want to put in place a system that appeals most efficiently to the "better angles" in human nature, capitalism is the way to go" immediately showed that an old horse never changes.

Question, what are "better angles" in human nature?
Sounds like a bony women.

Also, who the hell is allowed to maximize their "talents and resources" in a capitalistic system? Buttmonkies?


I used to think you were too smart to believe most of what you write, like a Carl Rove. I now believe you are the guy at the airport accepting the flower from the Moonie.

[whell]

Originally Posted by noonereal

This is why I have no respect for most your posts. You have no ability to be rational and objective.

You always state nonsense as fact in an attempt to steer/control the discussion.

You know the way you started this post, "there is no "perfect" economic system" I had an interest in reading it but your very next line, "But if you want to put in place a system that appeals most efficiently to the "better angles" in human nature, capitalism is the way to go" immediately showed that an old horse never changes.

Question, what are "better angles" in human nature?
Sounds like a bony women.

Also, who the hell is allowed to maximize their "talents and resources" in a capitalistic system? Buttmonkies?


I used to think you were too smart to believe most of what you write, like a Carl Rove. I now believe you are the guy at the airport accepting the flower from the Moonie.

I love you too, Noone, however blinded by your own prejudices you might be.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by whell

I love you too, Noone, however blinded by your own prejudices you might be.

lol, that;s a little ironic since that is what I have been trying to pull you out of.

I know a women who does the same thing. Everyone of her short comings she projects right back.

She does same as you, when she is at a loss for a reasoned reply.


Obviously she is impossible to speak with.