Good Choke

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

If no one ever committed a crime or in the event they are accosted by LE and behaved like perfect gentlemen, there would be very little need for cops. Policing will become a lonely job since eight cops cannot show up to arrest a jaywalker.

1. Policing is a "lonely job."
2. This guy wasn't a jaywalker.

The situation sucks but the police didn't create it.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Easiest way to avoid this?

change the culture of cops

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Zeke

2. This guy wasn't a jaywalker.

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he wasn't very differant

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Like, say, what actually happened?

1. Offender had a long criminal record dating back 35 years.
2. Was illegally selling taxable items (multiple times).
3. Refused to comply.
4. CONTINUED to refuse to comply once engaged.
5. Got himself accidentally killed.

Easiest way to avoid this?

6. Don't commit criminal activity.
7. Comply when legally detained.

He had since 1980 (first arrest) to figure this out...

1. As I understand it, the police violated NYC "chokehold" rules.

2. Does being a purveyor of illicit cigarettes, even a habitual one, carry a death sentence? No.

3. "I can't breathe." generally means someone can't breathe and you should probably get the f**k off of his neck so he can.......because being a petty tax cheat is not a crime punishable by death.

That's how I see it.

Dave

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by noonereal

change the culture of cops

That's going to take something pretty damned drastic, but I'm all for it.

I think a whole lot of Cops are going to have to be replaced.

Maybe we should do something with cops like Ronald Regan did with the Air Traffic Controllers.**

** that oughta wind up the badgelickers.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by noonereal

he wasn't very differant

He was thirty-five years of arrests different.

"I can't breathe?" Mimics the feigned heart attacks I've seen pulled multiple times. You cannot trust what a detainee says until submitted and -- typically -- not even then.

In theory, someone might claim that, post submission, officers were negligent for not recognizing situational reality of actual distress (depends upon what they did) but the actual takedown indicates no specific malice.

As for a violation related to the 1993 ban of choke holds, you'll have to prove intent when applied, not what occurred during an arresstee provoked scuffle that was very fluid.

Sum? If the career criminal submits to rightful law, he's alive right now.

[ZeroJunk]

Originally Posted by Zeke

He was thirty-five years of arrests different.

"I can't breathe?" Mimics the feigned heart attacks I've seen pulled multiple times. You cannot trust what a detainee says until submitted and -- typically -- not even then.

In theory, someone might claim that, post submission, officers were negligent for not recognizing situational reality of actual distress (depends upon what they did) but the actual takedown indicates no specific malice.

As for a violation related to the 1993 ban of choke holds, you'll have to prove intent when applied, not what occurred during an arresstee provoked scuffle that was very fluid.

Sum? If the career criminal submits to rightful law, he's alive right now.

I don't think the people protesting understand the ramifications of what they want. It is typically not the white people that the cops are trying to protect from predators. It is the very blacks that are demanding that the cops back off. And, they are the ones who will suffer if the cops back off. It's nuts.

And, cops killed almost three times more whites than blacks. So yeah, blacks are really being targeted.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk

I don't think the people protesting understand the ramifications of what they want. It is typically not the white people that the cops are trying to protect from predators. It is the very blacks that are demanding that the cops back off. And, they are the ones who will suffer if the cops back off. It's nuts.

And, cops killed almost three times more whites than blacks. So yeah, blacks are really being targeted.

So much for you being a numbers guy Zero.

[ZeroJunk]

Originally Posted by bobabode

So much for you being a numbers guy Zero.

There are 5 times more whites. They killed 3 times more whites. And, blacks commit violent crime at about 10 times the rate.

So, yeah. They are really targeting blacks.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk

And, cops killed almost three times more whites than blacks. .

that's great!

thanks for sharing

good grief