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Old 12-22-2015, 03:18 PM
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I'm giving the Evangelist take on American exceptionalism and manifest destiny, I think it is selfserving bullshit.

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Old 12-22-2015, 03:54 PM
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That's not what Manifest Destiny was about. It was really only about our westward expansion and our "destiny" to "civilize" the continent, subjugate the Indians and displace the Mexicans. We couldn't really justify the rape and pillage we were engaded in on conventional religious grounds so we invented a new deity for the purpose , the Goddess of "American Progress", guiding us ever westward for the good of mankind.

Indeed the essence of "manifest Destiny".
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Old 12-22-2015, 04:24 PM
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No, we don't, Steve. Radical revisionist Christians try to reinterpret our history in terms of a sacred compact, the Mormons also believe that of their "New Zion" and perhaps the Puritans had similar conceits but, on the whole, our founders believed that they were creating a nation on the rather secular principles of the Enlightenment.

Only Israelis and some religious Jews in other parts of the world insist that their "Promised Land" is a direct gift from God.
Only if "God" was working at the UN in the late 1940s. "God" my ass. Men created the current Israel after the Second World War and it's been a pain in the ass drama generator ever since.
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Old 12-23-2015, 05:47 AM
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Then why do I hear God in every damn public speechifying??

One nation under God

In God we trust (everyone else pays cash)

God bless America

etc.
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Old 12-23-2015, 06:16 AM
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WOW manifest destiny is pretty. (while plotting her nefarious acts)
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Old 12-23-2015, 11:18 AM
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And the funding of ultra religious schools which graduate students who do not work. This will eventual bite Israel since the birth rate of the ultras is so much
higher than secular Israelis.

Some graduates are suing the Israeli government for not providing them with a useful education.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/former-...oor-education/
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Old 12-23-2015, 12:48 PM
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And the funding of ultra religious schools which graduate students who do not work. This will eventual bite Israel since the birth rate of the ultras is so much
higher than secular Israelis.

Some graduates are suing the Israeli government for not providing them with a useful education.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/former-...oor-education/
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