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Old 03-20-2018, 09:01 AM
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Depends on the church, quite a few wanted a venal self-identified unapologetic pussygrabbing profligate liar in the Oval.
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:11 AM
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Just a quick search of some of a few churches around my 10 20.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/26/us/26guns.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...eaway/5967533/



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https://youtu.be/Rg0k2O5re18

BTW this Pastor killed himself over allegations of sexual assault.
https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...ead/950666001/



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Old 03-20-2018, 11:28 AM
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JJ, can you tell me specifically, what "rights" you believe the 2nd amendment, as written in full, grants individuals minus the militia connection?
Since he doesn't appear to know, I'll tell you again. Self defense and being able to fight a tyrant who is taking over our nation, which Trump clearly isn't. These two rights remain until the Supremes sing otherwise.
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Old 03-20-2018, 11:36 AM
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Just saw this thread. Don't go to church much, do ya? If you did you'd know that many a call from many a pulpit, including last Sunday in my church, called for action on restriction of guns.
Interesting, until now I didn't perceive you as a gun worshipping redneck. But since you just implied being one who am I to argue.
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Old 03-20-2018, 11:42 AM
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Since he doesn't appear to know, I'll tell you again. Self defense and being able to fight a tyrant who is taking over our nation, which Trump clearly isn't. These two rights remain until the Supremes sing otherwise.
Scalia iirc said, the 2nd permits home defense with a handgun. Nothing else, afaik.

The tyranny bit is a false assumption, absent from the Second in word and intent. Armed insurrection against Federal authority is not a Constitunally granted protected right.

Trump is at least a would be tyrant as POTUS by demeanor.
His removal would be arguably justifiable by any rational judgement of ethical behavior.
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The tyranny bit isn't a false assumption and having the means at hand to fight a tyrant who has usurped Federal authority is why it's part of the second.

Would be doesn't matter, but is does. If we are ever in actual danger of being under a tyrant's boot, firearms would be an excellent tool in defending our homes. Pretty sure Scalia would concur.
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Old 03-20-2018, 12:17 PM
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The tyranny bit isn't a false assumption and having the means at hand to fight a tyrant who has usurped Federal authority is why it's part of the second.

Would be doesn't matter, but is does. If we are ever in actual danger of being under a tyrant's boot, firearms would be an excellent tool in defending our homes. Pretty sure Scalia would concur.
If that was the intent, it would have been part of the wording. It's just not there.
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If that was the intent, it would have been part of the wording. It's just not there.
In other words, you don't believe we have the right to own arms. I know we do because the intent of the second goes beyond the need to arm a militia.
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In other words, you don't believe we have the right to own arms. I know we do because the intent of the second goes beyond the need to arm a militia.
Potentially, everyone does under the second, including the village idiot and the county homicidal maniac by assumption.
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Do we "need" a Constitutional amendment to own and operate motor vehicles. No, yet we aren't demanding onesuch, or need it to lawfully do so.
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