Be Wary Of The Democratic Wing Of The Protest Movement

[icenine]

Progressive change in America is only brought about through institutions when the middle class is threatened. Now the people who voted for Trump may have fallen out of the middle class or feel like they might soon. But Trump is not the one who will bring about the change they want. Only an establishment can. It would be a miracle if Trump realizes this.

Bullshit "Muslim bans" and rounding up undocumented immigrants isn't going to make anyone's life better in the rust belt.

I mean where the hell is Bannon's nationalistic infrastructure deal that is supposed to bring about millions of jobs for the disaffected? (in Bannon's mind white people is what he is thinking about most likely).

Only political machine guys like FDR, Truman, Ike , LBJ and Nixon get stuff done like that.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by icenine

Progressive change in America is only brought about through institutions when the middle class is threatened. Now the people who voted for Trump may have fallen out of the middle class or feel like they might soon. But Trump is not the one who will bring about the change they want. Only an establishment can. It would be a miracle if Trump realizes this.

Bullshit "Muslim bans" and rounding up undocumented immigrants isn't going to make anyone's life better in the rust belt.

I mean where the hell is Bannon's nationalistic infrastructure deal that is supposed to bring about millions of jobs for the disaffected? (in Bannon's mind white people is what he is thinking about most likely).

Only political machine guys like FDR, Truman, Ike , LBJ and Nixon get stuff done like that.

I'm pretty sure President Trump is fully aware of the dynamic that he took full advantage of to literally become The Guy. Trump's base, was Bush's base, was Reagan's base and that base has been shrinking since Reagan.

Not seeing Truman or Ike as progressive. The other three definitely.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by nailer

Trump's base, was Bush's base, was Reagan's base and that base has been shrinking since Reagan.

Trump expanded that base.

And if he comes through on trade, infrastructure, prescription drug prices, and keeping us out of regime change adventures, he will expand it by at least one more that I know of.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by nailer

I'm pretty sure President Trump is fully aware of the dynamic that he took full advantage of to literally become The Guy. Trump's base, was Bush's base, was Reagan's base and that base has been shrinking since Reagan.

Not seeing Truman or Ike as progressive. The other three definitely.

Truman desegregated the armed forces.

Ike got the freeways done and did work with LBJ on some early Civil Rights bills in the late 50s that pointed the way to the towards what came later.

Trump is not self-aware. I mean if you lie to a bunch a reporters about facts a 5th grader can Google in 30 seconds and prove you are wrong you are sort of beyond help. And he probably really believed Obama was born in Kenya.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by icenine

Truman desegregated the armed forces.

Ike got the freeways done and did work with LBJ on some early Civil Rights bills in the late 50s that pointed the way to the towards what came later.

LBJ got Medicare and Civil rights passes.

That was the end of any meaningful progressive legislation.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

LBJ got Medicare and Civil rights passes.

That was the end of any meaningful progressive legislation.

Not by me it was. The demise of DOMA and marriage equality under the previous POTUS were landmark Progressive civil rights advances.

[bobabode]

I'd venture to say that the executive order creating the EPA signed by Dick Nixon was progressive. Sadly under Orange Julius and Pruitt this agency is under attack.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by icenine

I mean where the hell is Bannon's nationalistic infrastructure deal that is supposed to bring about millions of jobs for the disaffected? (in Bannon's mind white people is what he is thinking about most likely).

That was a centerpiece of Trump's campaign. When did you decide to make it "Bannon's"?

And as to where the Hell is it?

Trump has only been in office a little over a month.

How long was it before Obama got his infrastructure bill passed?

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

That was a centerpiece of Trump's campaign. When did you decide to make it "Bannon's"?

And as to where the Hell is it?

Trump has only been in office a little over a month.

How long was it before Obama got his infrastructure bill passed?

Bannon is pulling the strings. What you don't get is that all the controversy around Bannon's policies are making Trump unable to get a legislative agenda through. The alt-right slop to the base is destroying Trump's effectiveness. Idiotic tweets are not helping either.

He can't pass anything without Schumer, and some of the GOP are nervous with what is going on right now. You forget that some GOP Senators are from moderate states with diverse populations, and others like McCain and Graham are not impressed with the Russian ties.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by icenine

Bannon is pulling the strings.

You honestly think Trump would let anyone pull his strings?

LMAO.