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06-02-2010, 10:59 AM
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Israel attacks peaceful aidbringers.
So, Israel protects itself (it has every right to do so), and they're the BAD guy?
And Turkey is becoming more and more Islamicist. Bad news for NATO.
Pete
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06-02-2010, 11:09 AM
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I have mixed feelings about this story. Surely, Israel has a right to defend itself. OTOH, the boat contained no weapons and was 70 miles out in international waters where Israel had no right to board the ship.
After the boarding (of questionable legality), the Israelis were a bit heavy-handed in killing 9 folks onboard. There was a former US State Dep't. official on board who casts a different light upon what occurred than the Israelis did.
Without judging the specific merits of this case, I personally see more benefit from an alliance with Turkey than with Israel.
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06-03-2010, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by finnbow
Without judging the specific merits of this case, I personally see more benefit from an alliance with Turkey than with Israel.
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Turkey has been one of our strongest allies since WWII but the average American knows nothing about them and thinks they are nothing but another 3rd world middle eastern country. (Turkey is not in the middle east BTW)
We have screwed them over repeatedly and frankly if I were a Turk I'd be hard pressed to make a case for continuing to support the US. GW really treated the Turks badly.
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06-03-2010, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by noonereal
Turkey has been one of our strongest allies since WWII but the average American knows nothing about them and thinks they are nothing but another 3rd world middle eastern country. (Turkey is not in the middle east BTW)
We have screwed them over repeatedly and frankly if I were a Turk I'd be hard pressed to make a case for continuing to support the US. GW really treated the Turks badly.
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I know not to get my butt thrown in a turkish prison
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06-03-2010, 02:57 PM
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I know not to get my butt thrown in a turkish prison
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That movie, "Midnight Express" was a ridiculous caricature of both Turkey and the actual story written and experienced by Billy Hayes.
FWIW, I've travelled in over 50 countries and Turkey is, without question, the most hospitable place I've ever been.
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06-03-2010, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by finnbow
That movie, "Midnight Express" was a ridiculous caricature of both Turkey and the actual story written and experienced by Billy Hayes.
FWIW, I've travelled in over 50 countries and Turkey is, without question, the most hospitable place I've ever been.
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Are you telling me everything ive seen in the movies aint true ?
Next your gonna tell me the 3 stooges faked it !
fingers in ears. la la la la la la la...
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06-02-2010, 11:29 AM
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Israel did indeed have the right to board the ship in international waters according to the US State Department.
If that collection of terrorists tried landing here what do you think we would've done?
And if they attacked our guys with metal pipes, what would we have done?
Let's have Turkey join the EU so they can travel Europe without passports. Why is that a problem?
Pete
PS - what the hell was the former US State Dep't. official doing with those people?
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06-02-2010, 11:57 AM
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If that collection of terrorists tried landing here what do you think we would've done?
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Collection of terrorists?????
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Let's have Turkey join the EU so they can travel Europe without passports. Why is that a problem?
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Why indeed!
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PS - what the hell was the former US State Dep't. official doing with those people?
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Or, for that matter, what were sitting members of the Knesset doing on board. What's the matter, Pete? Doesn't this square with your "terrorist" theory?
John
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06-02-2010, 11:52 AM
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So, Israel protects itself (it has every right to do so), and they're the BAD guy?
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Absurd! The people in this convoy consisted of peace activists from all over the world, Nobel Prize winners, Israeli Members of Parliament but no militants or terrorists. The cargo was strictly humanitarian aid for the isolated, blockaded citizens of Gaza. It was thoroughly inspected by the Turkish government (an ally of Israel) and declared to be free of anything other than what it was declared to be: HUMANITARIAN AID FOR A MILLION STARVING PEOPLE LIVING IN A CITY THAT WAS BOMBED FLAT AND THEN BLOCKADED BY THE ISRAELIS.
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And Turkey is becoming more and more Islamicist. Bad news for NATO.
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Source, please.
John
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06-02-2010, 12:41 PM
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Word is that there was, um, interesting things happening aboard the 6th ship. We shall see.
You want to let a Turkey-inspected ship into New York without OUR inspection? Hello Hamas. This whole thing is a stunt and a dumb one at that. Sadly it appears to be working, with the left worldwide gleefully joining their friends like Iran, Syria, etc in condemning the country they have sworn to destroy.
Ah, these nobel prizewinning peace activists from around the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkL...layer_embedded
Let's see what comes of this. Turkey is talking war, and there is a 7th ship on the way.
Pete
PS millions of tons of humanitarian aid goes to Palestine every year. Why isn't that a problem?
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