Have a little truth.

[d-ray657]

Thanks for the perspective Dave. It brings up one of the ideas where we nearly have consensus here; many of the problems in our economy can be traced to the time when the focus of management switched from the manufacturing of products to the management of finances. People who knew lots about making short-term profits and selling stock didn't care about a long-term plan for making quality products. Price was the only way to compete - not quality. To compete on price you cut money from R&D and cut wages (except for the money-handlers of course) and use cheaper materials. Short term profits, long-term doom.

Regards,

D-Ray

[finnbow]

I think a fair amount of blame for this phenomena can be traced to the time/place when our industries/nation bought into the notion that a fresh-minted MBA could add great value (as compared to a someone with a technical degree or background). When everything boiled down to bean-counting, the quality of the widgets that were being manufactured mattered less.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by noonereal

Whats with the three stooges?

Okay.

The points were;

1). The "Three Stooges" are where the mentality of "everything bad that happens is all Clintons, or Obamas, or the Dems, or the liberals fault."

My boss and other former coworkers blamed the entire mess on "Clinton", still do. How so? It makes absolutely no sense. But, you can't tell them that.
Management fucked us out of our jobs, and no one else. Period. It wasn't Clinton, or Carter, or Barney Frank, or Bush, or Obama, or Mexicans, or UFOs, or the goddamned shadow people, it was our own greedy, selfish, assinyne capitalist managers. And THATS the truth!

I'll tell you why my friend thinks this way; Tune in to EIB and listen for a while. There's your fucking answer.

2). We were told, point blank, that the way HEALTHCARE is done in this country is TOO EXPENSIVE. The Canadians moved our jobs to Canada because the company doesn't pay for healthcare there. The citizens do through their taxes. At (In 2003) $300 to $1,000 per month, per employee, x 200+ employees, that's an assload of money. Why in the fuck would they do business here? I wouldn't.

I apologize if I came across as angry just now, Noon. I'm not mad at you, or anyone else here. I'm just frustrated.

Chopin. Where are my Lps? I need some Chopin. Somebody put on some fucking Chopin before I spontaneuosly combust.

Dave

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Okay.

I'm just frustrated.

Chopin. Where are my Lps? I need some Chopin. Somebody put on some fucking Chopin before I spontaneuosly combust.

Dave

One of my LP purchases yesterday is not only a great album, but has a fantastic title that fits right in with the current mood.

T-Bone Burnett - Truth Decay

Regards,

D-Ray

[Charles]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Okay.

The points were;

1). The "Three Stooges" are where the mentality of "everything bad that happens is all Clintons, or Obamas, or the Dems, or the liberals fault."

My boss and other former coworkers blamed the entire mess on "Clinton", still do. How so? It makes absolutely no sense. But, you can't tell them that.
Management fucked us out of our jobs, and no one else. Period. It wasn't Clinton, or Carter, or Barney Frank, or Bush, or Obama, or Mexicans, or UFOs, or the goddamned shadow people, it was our own greedy, selfish, assinyne capitalist managers. And THATS the truth!

I'll tell you why my friend thinks this way; Tune in to EIB and listen for a while. There's your fucking answer.

2). We were told, point blank, that the way HEALTHCARE is done in this country is TOO EXPENSIVE. The Canadians moved our jobs to Canada because the company doesn't pay for healthcare there. The citizens do through their taxes. At (In 2003) $300 to $1,000 per month, per employee, x 200+ employees, that's an assload of money. Why in the fuck would they do business here? I wouldn't.

I apologize if I came across as angry just now, Noon. I'm not mad at you, or anyone else here. I'm just frustrated.

Chopin. Where are my Lps? I need some Chopin. Somebody put on some fucking Chopin before I spontaneuosly combust.

Dave

The politicians are due some of the blame. Every time they add more regulations or more taxes on businesses they raise their operational costs and drive them to countries where it is cheaper to operate.

Now I don't blame one politician or one party, the big players make sure that no one runs who isn't already in their pocket. IMHO, the moneyed interests control the governments and not the other way around. The big internationals operate on a world stage and owe no allegiance to any nation.

Rob is quick to point out that Microsoft flies their corporate banner above the American flag at their headquarters. A small but telling detail.

I can appreciate your frustration. Not a day goes by that I don't feel like I've been had.

Chas

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Charles

The politicians are due some of the blame. Every time they add more regulations or more taxes on businesses they raise their operational costs and drive them to countries where it is cheaper to operate.

Now I don't blame one politician or one party, the big players make sure that no one runs who isn't already in their pocket. IMHO, the moneyed interests control the governments and not the other way around. The big internationals operate on a world stage and owe no allegiance to any nation.

Rob is quick to point out that Microsoft flies their corporate banner above the American flag at their headquarters. A small but telling detail.

I can appreciate your frustration. Not a day goes by that I don't feel like I've been had.

Chas

There you go again agreeing with me. What - did a little vacation warp your mind?

Regards,

D-Ray

[Charles]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

There you go again agreeing with me. What - did a little vacation warp your mind?

Regards,

D-Ray

Yeah, that's the ticket!!!

To tell the truth, vacation damn near kills me. It would be easier on me to just stay home and go to work.

Chas

[merrylander]

Well one rule that was apparently the fault of the SEC is Quarterly Reporting even though they are un-audited. That was the beginning of the end AFAIK because long range planning came to mean the next 90 days.

[whoaru99]

Heck, I'd blame him too, just because when you're in charge you get the rap regardless if you actually did anything or not. Besides, there's always plenty of blame to go around.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by whoaru99

Heck, I'd blame him too, just because when you're in charge you get the rap regardless if you actually did anything or not. Besides, there's always plenty of blame to go around.

Hell, just blame it on me.

I've been blamed because the suppliers were slow, because it was raining "RAINING", etc, etc, right on down the line.

And Shrub thought he had it rough!!!

Put it on me, I'm used to it.

Chas