More Classified Documents Found

[Chicks]

The Federalists, of course, get it completely wrong. Sigh.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/01/10...-of-joe-biden/

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

Why is there "no comparison", dumbass? Because CNN and the Dem talking heads on the Hill say there's "no comparison"?

BTW, dumbass, I wasn't making a comparison to the goings-on at Mar a Lago and the documents found at Biden's thoughtless tank. But Biden's specific comments can apply just as aptly to both scenarios.

Weak tea, Mike. Sorry...

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

Why is there "no comparison", dumbass? Because CNN and the Dem talking heads on the Hill say there's "no comparison"?

BTW, dumbass, I wasn't making a comparison to the goings-on at Mar a Lago and the documents found at Biden's thoughtless tank. But Biden's specific comments can apply just as aptly to both scenarios.

Because as soon as they discovered the documents, Biden declassified them. Case closed.

[GChief]

They are apples and oranges; the self-reporting does matter. There is also a good chance that Bidens office was cleared to a certain level, even though it was a private office. "If" the documents were stored properly the investigation will probably find no major violations.

Just someone's observation that has dealt with classified material at a high level my whole adult life (still do) and has done about a dozen plenary investigations of mismanagement of classified material.

[Oerets]

The truth of matters none to those who remind me of a contortionist with their evolution of arguments.

So far there is zero evidence from Biden of willful wrong doings, zero. Promptly returned folders after being discovered. Turned it over to the Justice Department to handle.

Verses the denials hiding refusals covering up.......

[GChief]

Originally Posted by Oerets

The truth of matters none to those who remind me of a contortionist with their evolution of arguments.

So far there is zero evidence from Biden of willful wrong doings, zero. Promptly returned folders after being discovered. Turned it over to the Justice Department to handle.

Verses the denials hiding refusals covering up.......

All of that does matter!

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by GChief

All of that does matter!

What I see that is very telling. How far and to what degrees the suspension of reality is happening. More willing to accept any and all arguments to confirm what they want to believe as the truth. Instead of facing the truth whatever it is.

The story is just evolving on Biden. Who knows what it will be in a week, month from now. It appears at this time he is helping not hindering the investigation. Not so for the last Presidents actions.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Oerets

What I see that is very telling. How far and to what degrees the suspension of reality is happening. More willing to accept any and all arguments to confirm what they want to believe as the truth. Instead of facing the truth whatever it is.

The story is just evolving on Biden. Who knows what it will be in a week, month from now. It appears at this time he is helping not hindering the investigation. Not so for the last Presidents actions.

That is most people most of the time. It's rare to actually base your opinion on reasoned argument. Most reasoning is just rationalization.

[finnbow]

Former US attorney Barbara McQuade on investigations involving mishandling of classified documents:

“Cases typically are charged criminally only when an aggravating factor is present. The difference with Trump is that two of the four are met, and that is willful violation and obstruction. These two factors that are present for Trump do not appear to be present in the Biden case. These cases are very different.” McQuade added that if she was the US attorney reviewing the Biden case, she would decline to prosecute.

Her view corresponds to what James Comey said in 2016 in reference to Hillary's emails:

In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

This correlates with my personal experience of having worked in positions requiring a security clearance for 38 years (20 of which was a compartmentalized Top Secret clearance). Security infractions involving mishandling of classified documents were nearly always dealt with administratively (personnel actions including revocation of clearance, demotion or termination). Criminal prosecution was only in the cards for infractions per the criteria outlined by Comey and were extremely rare.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Has Biden claimed the "owns" the documents? Has he threatened the DOJ / FBI for (correctly) involving themselves? Get a clue.

There's no comparison between Biden and Trump. Biden is an honest man. Your Dear Leader is a lying demagogue.

And do you seriously think the Koch-funded "think tanks" offer legitimate, unbiased information? ROFL.

Did Biden remove classified documents? Yes.

Did Biden maintain possession of those documents? Yes.

Did Trump's more combative approach inform/inflame the Agencies' response? Sure. However, your other points of comparison are far less relevant than the basic fact that "he had them, and he should not have had them", and then hypocritically criticizing another for doing what he did.

You call me "clueless", but you then make a statement like "Biden is an honest man"? If you really believe that, you're further gone than I thought. Biden has had a long and remarkable history of trouble with the truth.

Here, let me help you just a bit: https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/20/polit...021/index.html