More Classified Documents Found

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Weak tea, Mike. Sorry...

Yawn....

[GChief]

Originally Posted by whell

Did Biden remove classified documents? Yes.

Did Biden maintain possession of those documents? Yes.

While these seem to be the facts. The handling of the "discovery" seems to have been handle correctly for this type of situation, this is the huge difference in the two cases and it carries a lot of weight in the investigating.

I will not be surprised if that office is cleared for classified material and if it was stored properly will just be an "oops we forgot to turn this in" ... "here is the training those involved need to do" and that's the end of it.

Just finished an investigation last week, someone plugged into wrong LAN drop. Since it was reported correctly as soon as it was discovered and deemed inadvertent with no intent of plugging into the "secret" LAN the result was training for that individual.


Again, just the observations of a guy that as dealt with this since 1985

[Rajoo]

The biggest difference I see here that Trump lied and continued to lie about the documents that he had in his possession that he had also unlawfully removed and then and moved to his home in S. Florida. Lock him up.

[GChief]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

The biggest difference I see here that Trump lied and continued to lie about the documents that he had in his possession that he had also unlawfully removed and then and moved to his home in S. Florida. Lock him up.

That and the private residence thing. Both HUGE issues.

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

The biggest difference I see here that Trump lied and continued to lie about the documents that he had in his possession that he had also unlawfully removed and then and moved to his home in S. Florida. Lock him up.

Donny is incapable of telling the truth about anything. Some here are unable to comprehend that he is fundamentally different from the honorable Biden.

[Chicks]

HCR's summary, on point as always:

Yesterday, news broke that in November, President Joe Biden’s lawyers found “a small number” of classified documents from his vice-presidential years in a locked closet in Biden’s former office at Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement. They immediately contacted the National Archives and Records Administration, which retrieved the documents the same day. Biden said that he did not know the documents were there and that his lawyers “did what they should have done” when they called NARA. Attorney General Merrick Garland assigned a Trump-appointed U.S. attorney, John R. Lausch Jr., to see if he should appoint a special counsel.

Trump and his supporters immediately tried to suggest Biden was getting better treatment than he did, but journalist Matthew Miller notes that classified documents often get taken from government facilities by accident. Those errors are reported, the documents recovered, and a damage assessment made to determine whether further action needs to be taken.

In Trump’s case, NARA repeatedly asked him simply to return the documents it knew he had. He refused for a year, then let them recover 15 boxes that included classified documents, withholding others. After a subpoena, his lawyers turned over more documents and signed an affidavit saying that was all of them. But of course it wasn’t: the FBI’s August search of Mar-a-Lago recovered still more classified documents. Trump is being investigated now for obstruction and violations of the Espionage Act, which makes it a crime to withhold documents from a government official authorized to take them.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by GChief

That and the private residence thing. Both HUGE issues.

Yes, unlawful removal, deceit and unlawful storage. Three strikes, so lock him up.

[GChief]

With the facts we have, these cases are apples and oranges in the classified material handling world.

The case studies for training would be, do not do it like Trump, do it like Biden.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Did Biden remove classified documents? Yes.

No, we don't yet know that Biden personally removed the documents.

Did Biden maintain possession of those documents? Yes.

No, we also don't yet know if Biden consciously maintained possession of these documents.

Did Trump's more combative approach inform/inflame the Agencies' response?

No, it wasn't his "combative approach." It was the deliberate obstruction of DOJ efforts to recover the documents that caused the legal jeopardy he now finds himself in.

We have a Trump-appointed US Attorney investigating Biden's documents now. I thought you were an advocate of allowing the legal process to play out and that anything short of a criminal conviction is innocence or does this apply only to Dear Leader?

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by GChief

With the facts we have, these cases are apples and oranges in the classified material handling world.

The case studies for training would be, do not do it like Trump, do it like Biden.

Precisely