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10-05-2012, 09:33 AM
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The Southern Strategy racial connection no longer seems relevant. Perhaps, there are other reasons for the South turning towards the GOP just as there might be something other than perceived racism that turned the black voter away from the GOP. An obvious reason would be the rise of Christian Fundamentalism during the seventies coupled with the democratic appetite for secularization of public, or at least open political, life. Whether or not this was good doesn't negate that there was an interaction between the two. On the other front, a succession of democratic congresses continued to create more and more programs to help the poor. Sadly, a high percentage of blacks were in the group benefitting from these programs. The dynamic here in California with our large hispanic population may shed some light on the matter in the near future. My point is that there is more going on than some nefarious racist plot perpetrated by republicans 30-40 years ago.
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Good points!
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10-05-2012, 03:33 PM
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Good points!
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No they're not. They're LOUSY points.
Here's the real test;
Find me a Klan member that votes Democratic. I'm pretty sure you'll have a tough go of it.
I live in the south. A lot of the fine white folks 'round here hated Obama the day they laid eyes on him, especially the older ones. But, to be fair, it's not just the south. I know plenty of bigots in Ohio who were pro-labor Democrats right up to the day Barack came to dinner. Then, they started buying guns-n-ammo and making jokes about growing watermelons on the Whitehouse lawn.................
I remember my nephew commenting....."Uh, oh. There's a porch monkey in the Whitehouse. The shits gonna hit the fan now!"
But, it was all about the policies, you know, the bad ones that they don't like....whatever they are.
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Dave
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10-06-2012, 08:53 AM
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Gov. big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have. TJ
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"TJ"? Thaddeus Jerkwad? This one isn't from Jefferson either. It's from GF (Gerald Ford). So, you replace one bogus quote with another bogus quote? I hope you didn't pay much for that book of "Jefferson quotations".
http://www.monticello.org/site/jeffe...-wantquotation
John
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10-03-2012, 06:16 PM
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First of all, he didn't speak in "ebonics". Second, he's from that culture. He spoke to the audience in a way that's natural b oth to him and to them. You teabaggers ought to be more upset when he "fakes being white". Frankly, I think you actually are but you view the obverse as somehow more acceptable to the mainstream. It isn't.
What hate? What did he say that expressed hatred? Of anyone?
He does care about them. Frankly, so should you.
So, he "expressed hatred" to establish a "connection to them"? He was talking to a conference of black clergymen. Doesn't get much more hateful than that, does it?
In what way is he not like them? They're Americans. Is the President not American? (Yes, I know. Kenyan soci@list Muslim.) They're Christians. Is the President not a Christian? They're black. Is the President not black?
Again, where was the "hate"? Your obvious preoccupation with hate in a speech devoid of it strongly suggests that the only hatred is coming from you. Whom do you hate? The President? Ministers? Black people? All of the above?
You on the right don't value academic accomplishment? Santorum certainly thinks you don't - and you shouldn't, calling anyone who does a "snob" and, by characterizing the left as "the smart ones" clearly believes that you are not. Apparently, ignorance and stupidity are virtues in your world. (I've long suspected as much so it was gratifying to have Santorum confirm it for me.)
John
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you articulated everything I wanted to say but I didn't have the patience to type it all out on my phone.
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10-04-2012, 11:11 PM
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I watched a little bit of the video. That's not talking jive or Ebonics or any other pejorative one might want to use. I've visited AME churches enough to recognize that as preacher cadence - rhythmic and poetic. He was talking to a gathering of preachers. It makes sense that he would fall into that cadence.
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10-04-2012, 11:22 PM
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I have not frequented the Breitbart site. Just a few minutes there is enough, however, to recognize the crap that Mezz spews here.
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10-05-2012, 07:15 AM
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Hannity is a smug, sanctimonious punk and I couldn't care less what he thinks about anything. His opinion means less to me than yours does, Mezz. And that's saying something.
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Dave
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10-05-2012, 07:36 AM
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Accoutrements? Aint that an appliance, sumpthin' like a toaster or what-not?
Regards,
Dave
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10-05-2012, 07:40 AM
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Dang francais spewing librarians....
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10-05-2012, 09:05 AM
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To exhibit a language coefficent of greater than one during the interpersonal transfering of summarized ideals equates to complicated and somewhat opaque interpretations of the expressions put forth.
Translation - I don't understand language use greater than one syllabul.
BHunter - I love cool words and to mess with semantics. I still need to look up some of your words as I have no idea what you really said, only a guess. So, I am not really attacking you or your position, just having fun with it.
Mark
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