When Obama came to visit...

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by nailer

Sounds like Sci Fi to me. Like to see some actual evidence of these capabilities. Also, why are Alaska, Hawaii and our territories not under this Big Brother umbrella?

Actually, none of those things are really that hard to do if you have sufficient power in the right places. The actual movers and shakers in our government are not the caricatures you see in 50's science fiction movies. They are highly intelligent people who work on threat models all the time.

Underestimate them at your peril.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

Actually, none of those things are really that hard to do if you have sufficient power in the right places. The actual movers and shakers in our government are not the caricatures you see in 50's science fiction movies. They are highly intelligent people who work on threat models all the time.

Underestimate them at your peril.

Bah. Most analysts everywhere are faking it. Real analysis is very hard work, and you know what result is wanted ahead of time....

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Bah. Most analysts everywhere are faking it. Real analysis is very hard work, and you know what result is wanted ahead of time....

It's not as hard as you think. It's why debaters prepare for debates by practicing with someone playing the part of their opponent, enabling them to be more prepared for the "surprise" responses.

A car lost control and flipped in front of my house about 30 years ago. The guy got out of his car and a friend of his picked him up in his pickup.

This was at 3;00 Saturday morning.

The cops showed up and we talked a bit. The cop said to me that is was surprisingly common for people to drive home drunk on a friday or saturday night, wreck their car, hoof it home and then report it stolen.

Not one minute after he told me this he got a call that the car had been stolen.

But there was a problem...

The pickup drove by going the other way and I said to the cops (there were three cops there by then) that that was the truck that picked the guy up. One cop went after it and came back about 15 minutes later with a guy in the back seat. He was the guy I saw leave the car. He was also the car's owner.

A simple example. But the military is not the bafoons one would make them out to be. Neither are many of the people heading government agencies. More importantly, neither are their underlings that do the real intelligence work.

Sometimes I think part of the press' job is to cause us to think they are easily fooled when, in reality, they are trying to respond to the results of their intelligence in a politically correct way. THAT's the hard part.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

Actually, none of those things are really that hard to do if you have sufficient power in the right places. The actual movers and shakers in our government are not the caricatures you see in 50's science fiction movies. They are highly intelligent people who work on threat models all the time.

Underestimate them at your peril.

You have reading comprehension issues. My post and the post I was replying to aren't about threat models. They are about a claimed capability.

FWIW, before retiring I often found myself working with many of the highly intelligent people you referenced and do not feel in peril regardless of my estimate of them.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by nailer

You have reading comprehension issues. My post and the post I was replying to aren't about threat models. They are about a claimed capability.

FWIW, before retiring I often found myself working with many of the highly intelligent people you referenced and do not feel in peril regardless of my estimate of them.

Projection. The working with threat models is part of having the claimed capability.

I also have worked with said people. You are only partially correct. There are a few geniuses and a lot of worker bees. Focus on the former. They exist and are not to be trifled with.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

Projection. The working with threat models is part of having the claimed capability.

I also have worked with said people. You are only partially correct. There are a few geniuses and a lot of worker bees. Focus on the former. They exist and are not to be trifled with.

So, you were deflecting and continue to do so.

I used the same words as you and then for some reason you pointed out that many of these highly intelligent people aren't geniuses.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by nailer

So, you were deflecting and continue to do so.

I used the same words as you and then for some reason you pointed out that many of these highly intelligent people aren't geniuses.

Nope. I'm staying on topic. Deflecting would be you saying "trump said x", And I say, yeah, but Hillary...

And I think you got it backward. I thought you were saying they were not geniuses and I was making the argument that some of them are.

Related: I worked at Fort Knox for a while. One of the guys there spent almost all his time on Facebook.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

Nope. I'm staying on topic. Deflecting would be you saying "trump said x", And I say, yeah, but Hillary...

And I think you got it backward. I thought you were saying they were not geniuses and I was making the argument that some of them are.

Related: I worked at Fort Knox for a while. One of the guys there spent almost all his time on Facebook.

Actually, you changed the topic of my post, which is deflection.

Here's what I wrote: "... I often found myself working with many of the highly intelligent people..." Looks like you're the one who gets thing backwards and I did not say they were not geniuses, nor did I imply it.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by nailer

Actually, you changed the topic of my post, which is deflection.

Here's what I wrote: "... I often found myself working with many of the highly intelligent people..." Looks like you're the one who gets thing backwards and I did not say they were not geniuses, nor did I imply it.

I took that statement as sarcasm. Sorry about that.