Point/Counterpoint

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Twodogs

That means we have taken away their ability to fend for themselves.

We've taken it away? They're victims? They don't have to take personal responsibility for their actions?

You could just as easily say they gave up their rights. And if that's the case, why do they get a right that the rest of us don't? Or if I lose my job, you could say my employer took away my ability to get health care. It's a game of semantics at that point.

Fact is, we say prisoners have a right to health care but the rest of us don't. Unless we're a fetus.

[Twodogs]

Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, I love ya like a brother man, but I know you are smarter than that. The only rights we as humans have, are the rights that God gives us. Man himself doesn't give rights. He neither has the ability or the desire. Man's basic instinct is to dominate and suppress. C'mon, this is first year liberal college stuff mang.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Twodogs

Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, I love ya like a brother man, but I know you are smarter than that. The only rights we as humans have, are the rights that God gives us. Man himself doesn't give rights. He neither has the ability or the desire. Man's basic instinct is to dominate and suppress. C'mon, this is first year liberal college stuff mang.

Oh good. I won't have to hear about this "right" to have guns. That was give to us by man, not God. Sure, you can say only God has the ability to give rights, but you'll have hard time taking all the others away. "Sorry man, no trial for you!"

[JJIII]

Posts #9 to #17 are getting down to it. Please carry on. This is good stuff, at last!

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by JJIII

Posts #9 to #17 are getting down to it. Please carry on. This is good stuff, at last!

You happy with how it worked out?

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

You happy with how it worked out?

I'm happy with the lively exchange of ideas. I/we can all learn by being exposed to different viewpoints. Sometimes I see things that I haven't taken into account. Sometimes it changes my mind and sometimes it re-enforces what I already thought. So I guess you could say that I am happy with the way it is working out.

[Fast_Eddie]

Some more things that are "not in the Constitution".

http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Some more things that are "not in the Constitution".

http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html

"From each, according to his ability, to each, according to his needs." isn't in the Constitution? Not even the Declaration of Independence, or the Bill of Rights?

Well, you could have fooled me.

But you have made your point. The United State of America has become no more than an exercise in gang warfare, The West Side Story run amok. Mao was right.

I'll never understand why people so love to have a Master.

Chas

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Charles

I'll never understand why people so love to have a Master.

Chas

It gives one a feeling of security which translates to survival for us and our off spring. It's all good, if indeed our "Master" has the good of the entire sociaty as his goal.

If he uses the group for his own tribe or personal gain, then it ain't so good.

We all have the instinct to band together behind the most powerful it's a matter of how we reason who or what is best for us.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by noonereal

It gives one a feeling of security which translates to survival for us and our off spring. It's all good, if indeed our "Master" has the good of the entire sociaty as his goal.

If he uses the group for his own tribe or personal gain, then it ain't so good.

We all have the instinct to band together behind the most powerful it's a matter of how we reason who or what is best for us.

I guess that's one of those "instincts" that never fully developed for me. Might be because when I look at my Masters, they look like they've been bought off, or worse.

Chas